$6 Diffusing Tape vs. $100 Veil Reflection/Night Shot Images

[Mthman30]

^ This I disagree with - it looks as if his posts do prove that VEIL does indeed work as-advertised...he's not hiding anything at all.

If that's a way to try to discredit VEIL, then it's a funny (and self-defeating) way to go about doing so.....

If memory serves, he started this thread only as VEIL wouldn't properly stick to his headlamp lens, and he tried then to apply VEIL to the tape - and later branched-out on this independent set of thoughts.

And quite frankly, he'd PM'ed me about purchasing my as-yet un-used canister of VEIL quite a few weeks ago - and when I told him that I was keeping mine to apply on a selective basis (i.e. when I head out on long trips, as I will be doing to my rental SUV this coming week), he readily and rapidly placed an order, through Roy, if I recall correctly, to get his own can.

Wow...........That was a quick response. You didn't even give onefastzx9r
any time to defend himself.

Funny that you disagree that this was a passive aggressive maneuver. IT IS A SELF DEFEATING WAY TO GO ABOUT THINGS, THAT IS THE POINT.

He never inteded to prove that Veil works? In a previous thread the Veil guy offered to help him in any way that he could, however, according to the Veil guy onefastzx9r never responded to his offer. Instead he began this thread in the Veil section. He is trying to rub his nose in it.

Your memory does serve you correctly. The Veil did not stick to the glass lenses on his car, so instead of listening to Veil guy's advice or contacting him, he began this thread. The real message that he is sending is that Veil is a waste of money because a six dollar roll of 3M tape works just as well. He is still PO'd that he didn't get a refund. Is this making any sense to you?

If he had gotten his money back this thread would not exist. You can disagree with me all you want.

Even if onefastzx9r's post did prove that Veil works, the message still is that an individual can save $83 by purchasing 3M tape instead of Veil. That is offensive considering that it is in the Veil section of this board. It is a very clever way of sending a negative message about the product on the manufacturers home turf. In its own way it does discredit the product. How can you not see this?

Even though it appears to shed a positive light on Veil it clearly does not. In one of his last posts onefastzx9r states that hopefully his thread will motivate Veil guys to produce a clear version.

Yeah, I'm sure this is just what Veil was looking for, someone to motivate them to improve their product (more like give them a headache). I'm sure that this thread just made R & D jump ahead of schedule.

[onefastzx9r]

The Veil guy never got back to me about the adhesion problems, he said he was out of town for 10 days and would get back to my emails but never did, ah well.

Mthman30, ur jumping to conclusions, if I said the a $50 uniden detector had greater range than a V1, then u could accuse me of discrediting Mr. Valentine........u could say the GOL tests showed LI coming out on top of all the other jammers and the testers are discrediting AL, LPP and Escort......does that mean the V1, LPP, AL don't work? No, the conspiricies go on and on..........ur thinking way into it...its a comparison.

I only want to address the plate issue and to go about that I used the tape, the laser shield and veil as a comparison. After searching threads, many members don't like Veil on the plate, are u going to say they are discrediting the product as well? people have opinions, i just had some extra time to get some images to add to my opinions.

This thread belongs here because it about Veil and laser shield. We all know Veil works, get back on the subject please.

[Veil Guy]

Didn't get back to you?

Perhaps you forgot this one:

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...hlight=#249941

I offered to meet up with you personally even though you are about 400 miles away. :roll:

Veil Guy 8)

[onefastzx9r]

mis-communication or me mis-interpreting the thread.........thanks for the concern....hopefully I have the problem sorted, I've driven over 1600 miles with it and no problems with the Veil on top of the tape.

[TSi+WRX]

You didn't even give onefastzx9r
any time to defend himself.

^ But especially now, in light of the OP once again explaining himself....

I honestly do not see this as a direct offense against VEIL. I've been reading and following this thread from the beginning, and when I said that it's strange that VEIL was not tested, since this was a thread in this very Forum, the OP simply stated that it was a mistake, and that yes, VEIL worked.

He's even now repeatedly confessed that after his "dressing" of the headlight, his original concerns are now a non-issue.

I think that it is merely adding to our knowledge-base with yet another tool that can help meet our protection needs in an area of the vechicle which can be very, very problematic due to local enforcement laws/practices.

I respect your opinion, Mthman30, as well as can understand the viewpoint from which you're framing your observations and assertions. Perhaps it's just that I like to think the better of people.

Or maybe it's just because I have a different view of this because the OP originally approached me via PM, inquiring as to my willingness to re-sell him my as-yet un-used VEIL - to which, honestly, he seemed very eager to obtain and use this product, due to his unique protection needs. Perhaps this also alters my perspective.

Regardless:

Between you and me, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree - we simply see this one differently.

I see, though, by your signature, that our views on effective protection does not. No harm, no foul ? ops:

[Veil Guy]

onefastzx9r,

OK. I am pleased you found a work around, however, from my perspective, we didn't actually get to the bottom of it - something that I would like to do.

If there is something we can learn from your particular experience to improve our product, then I would welcome that opportunity.

I still suspect a polymer-wax build-up of some sort. Perhaps if we do ever hook-up, we can get another crack at your headlights. :wink:

Veil Guy 8)

[Mthman30]

Regardless:

Between you and me, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree - we simply see this one differently.

I see, though, by your signature, that our views on effective protection does not. No harm, no foul ? ops:

Of course we can agree to disagree, that is in my opinion what makes our country so great . In the long run we probably agree on just about everything else 8)

Please indulge me though and read the first two posts from the origional thread.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...er=asc&start=0

The OP states that he is considering filing a complaint with the BBB. In his next post he states that he is going to be "messaging every new comer not to buy Veil" :shock:

Thats all. Then this new thread begins. To me it just seems pretty clear cut with no grey area.

After you read through the origional thread (which you may not have ever seen) I will be curious to see if this changes your opinion :?:

Other than that we are cool 8) 8) 8)

[Mthman30]

Mthman30, ur jumping to conclusions, if I said the a $50 uniden detector had greater range than a V1, then u could accuse me of discrediting Mr. Valentine........u could say the GOL tests showed LI coming out on top of all the other jammers and the testers are discrediting AL, LPP and Escort......does that mean the V1, LPP, AL don't work? No, the conspiricies go on and on..........ur thinking way into it...its a comparison.

You are avoiding the issue with nonsense examples. Who said anything about a conspiracy? Is there something you would like to tell us about?

The issue is that you don't make statements such as "I'm going to contact the BBB" and "I will be messaging every newcomer not to buy Veil" and then insult my intelligence by telling me that your only intent was to make a comparison.

I jumped to the conclusion that you were angry with Veil and that you decided (metaphorically speaking) to take a wizz in Veil guy's backyard :!:

[TSi+WRX]

The OP states that he is considering filing a complaint with the BBB. In his next post he states that he is going to be "messaging every new comer not to buy Veil" :shock:

Thats all. Then this new thread begins. To me it just seems pretty clear cut with no grey area.

After you read through the origional thread (which you may not have ever seen) I will be curious to see if this changes your opinion :?:

^ That certainly brings about a new and different perspective - but I thought an amicable ending was reached in that thread, on the second page?

Again, perhaps it is the "outside knowledge" of this issue that's biasing my own interpretation.

Glad you understand, bruddah.

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On a side-note:

Got baby-Anna her first powered ride-on today.

Considering applying VEIL to its plastic (faux) hadlights - thought better of it, though, as the vehicle tops-out at only 2 MPH.

[onefastzx9r]

I did the test again using 3 remote control's and the results are the same

Veil is the darkest, following by the diffusing tape, followed by laser shield.

Tint has no effect on the intensity. I don't know if the remote control's have the same infrared frequency as the about 940-980nm. I will have pictures soon.