I wouldn't mind that dark tint color on mine. It'd look better (and probably go better) than this :lol: :
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...wholefront.jpg
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I wouldn't mind that dark tint color on mine. It'd look better (and probably go better) than this :lol: :
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...wholefront.jpg
Ouch! That chrome looks painful for your lidar return. Good thing you got that LPP!
TSi+WRX,
Thank you for those kind words. Yes, I believe that you'll find Veil G4 to be sufficiently "clear" (colorless). The impact on headlight projection is essentially imperceptible regardless of the lighting.
During the day, I almost can't even tell the Veil G4 is on my vehicle.
In so far as going even more colorless...Not very likely as any such material(s) can not be made available to the general civilian population. Capisce?
In any event, Veil G4 is an order of magnitude better on this front than G2 (our internal name for our previous version of Veil) and not as "dark" as some of you guys may believe.
When I get some time, I'll provide some daytime shots to demonstrate this as these first ones were taken at dusk.
Veil Guy :cool:
ELVATO,
You got some things working towards your favor, however: black bumper fascia (extremely good) and a complex black grill (also extremely good), finally the rake of your hood (also quite good), and finally the black side-view mirrors (which is extremely good).
Veil Guy :cool:
The HID's on my EVO went from incredible, to just meh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovencleaner
focuzd1,
I believe you will find our next generation iv of Veil to be substantially less noticeable than our previous version. :wink:
Veil Guy :cool:
So....if I'm reading that correctly, that means you'll be able to offer colorless ones to specific members of the civilian population?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
:lol: :wink: :P
Hey, can't hurt to ask, right? 8) :lol:
The VEIL Guy - I'm not sure if I missed this answer somewhere, but if I pre-order the "G4," now (through this website? through your own?), when is delivery expected?
TSi+WRX,
Negative. Let me rephrase:
...Not very likely as any such material(s) are not available to civilians.
Veil Guy :cool:
^ :P Now that's no fun!!! :P :
Seriously, though any answer as to the actual (non-joke) question, the question that followed my joke about civilian availability? :)
TSi+WRX,
Sorry, I missed it. :wink: (...And btw, they're not my rules)
ETA for pre-orders (limited production release) <4 weeks.
Veil Guy :cool:
that is some HORRIBLE looking glare...Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
whiterabbit05,
Nice Sig! :wink:
Veil Guy :cool:
^ No problem at all, that's an "understood." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
Excellent!Quote:
ETA for pre-orders (limited production release) <4 weeks.
Veil Guy :cool:
See...THIS is the real reason I want to fly Raptors. When we're painting the secret military Veil over the plane, I'll get the crew chief to let me paint some on my headlights :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
Veil Guy,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
There's no law going to Mexico or the Caymans can't get you around buddy. :wink:
Since you've set the bar so high with top notch products and service, going the extra mile (or couple miles depending on where you live) is what I've come to expect from you... :)
I think this is one of those laws where international travel actually CAN'T help you :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Regis
Regis,
Actually, Tortola (BVI) is sounding pretty good to me right about now. :wink: It's still pretty quiet there and JVD is literally minutes away for boat.
Seriously, when it's all said and done, me tinks you guys will be happy with what we have developed.
Veil Guy :cool:
I was gonna say... that selective of a IR filtering material is probably like asking for good tasting diet soda or low-calorie potato chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
But at any rate, the tint looks fairly acceptable to me and for most kinds of cars that VEIL would be effective on, they probably already have some what darkened headlights or reflectors that would make the tinting of the VEIL less obvious.
On more question: It was said before that the new VEIL would be easier to apply. Is this true? What improvements have been made to the application process?
jdong,
We believe, so. G4 was designed to be applicable to a wide variety of surfaces in an even and consistent manner.
Veil Guy :cool:
I know the time and effort BOb and his team have put in G4. I seen an early prototype about a year ago and back then it looked REALLY good. Have faith guys the wait will be well worth t
Alright, my fears have been put to rest, I'm definitely getting G4 when it's available...
Thanks for the response, Mr. Veil Guy...I just love it when manufacturers are in touch and in tune with their customers. Bravo!
8)
x2. I cant wait to stealth out my vehicle!Quote:
Originally Posted by focuzd1
Does anyone have any recommendations for a headlight cleaner? My headlights are fogged on the outside, and are plastic. I want to get them all nice and clean before I apply veil.
Also, Does anyone have a recommendation for a type of paint to paint over my chrome with?
Sounds like a major part of Veil working decently is tinting the headlights.
Basically meaning no invisible version will ever exist, means I'll never be buying it.
Wet sand them. Wet them, and sand them first with 1000 grit, then with 1500 grit, all while keeping the lights wet. Get some rubbing compound and with a terry cloth, rub the lights for a while. I then put some PlasticX to help revitalize the plastic a bit. Then, apply some car wax to seal everything up (obviously take it off when it's dry. :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovencleaner
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
It's been shown by a fellow member here that although "tinting" the headlights, via aftermarket headlight covers, *will* work to reduce (and even to eliminate) LIDAR return from this area, the tint needs to be near-opaque, at a level which is clearly going to arouse unwanted enforcement notice.
Yes, tinting will help - but to do the same as VEIL, you'll need near-opacity, when you go with simple tinting.
how would i preorder a can of the G4?
As ELVATO said, wetsanding is the gold standard for fixing fogged plastic headlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovencleaner
For painting chrome, you want to get a can of Duplicolor auto paint and a can of Duplicolor auto clearcoat. Clean, scuff, paint 3-4 coats color and 2-3 coats clear.
I wonder how much the veil will diffuse the head lights at night...
My main concern is application of the product without runs or streaks. I went through half a can of my Veil before I had something I felt I could live with (which failed...see below). I ended up using a poly foam brush to achieve that.
I have a 350Z and the headlights are quite narrow and slope gently down towards the front, so you can't run a brush across the top of the headlight and allow it to run into the path of your next brush stroke and so on like it shows in the video demonstration. I had to apply vertical brush strokes and pray that the coating leveled out as it dried. It never did end up without streaks completely. It seems like Veil is easiest to apply to long, rectangular vertical headlights like those shown on the BMW in the link of this thread.
I also tested my Veil with a police radar and didn't get any protection, so I'm assuming I don't have it on thick enough. This would be logical since what I did put on was just enough without having it run down all over the lower part of the car.
My point here is to ask if you have improved the viscosity of Veil so you can apply it in one even coat without any runs or streaks (let me repeat...no runs or streaks), and have it level to a consistent coat that looks like it was sprayed on once it's dry? Or will this be another case of getting the "knack" of how best to apply it.
Will you be posting a video demonstrating its application properties to prove that it will not run or streak when applied by the average customer (not a pro like yourself)? I know you want to sell Veil but in the end it's the consumer who takes the risk. Please appreciate my candor.
Thanks
Editted to add:
Here's the link to a thread showing my car:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...445&highlight=
With the older Veil, it SHOULD run down onto the car, you should expect that and mask off the area around your headlights. In fact, with enough masking, you should be able to simply make clean, even strokes across the headlight and not worry about getting Veil all over the surrounding area.
Of course, my nearly-rectangular headlights are just about ideal, so I have very little trouble with this...
You do realize this doesn't do anything with radar, but with laser, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by scrapser
SoulRider4Ever:
Yes...laser...sorry for the mistake there. It was tested with a police laser and did nothing from as far away as we could test right up to within an expected punch through distance. I think it was a Pro Laser or an Ultralyte owned by another member here. We did the test last summer.
The max distance was around 900 feet on the road. My LPP killed the laser when I turned it on.
JDS:
I did take measures to protect my car if you were getting the impression that was an issue for me. It wasn't. What was an issue was not being able to put Veil on evenly. The 350Z headlight lens starts almost horizontal to the ground and slowly slopes down. This makes relying on a consistent "flow" of the previous brush stroke pretty difficult as each stroke would be on a steeper surface.
To me this stuff seems made for vertical surfaces that allow for broad horizontal strokes. Unfortunately, car headlights come in all shapes and sizes. The next generation Z is going to have headlights shaped like a boomerang or bold "U" (not too excited about the look personally). That will pose an even greater challenge of applying Veil.
Anyway, I hope The Veil Guy replies to my questions. They are sincere and no harm intended by asking.
So when will the new stuff be available?
I'm curious about how the new Veil looks after it's dry. I ended up removing the old Veil from my Audi headlights because it made them look foggy and dirty. Like most modern headlights, they're sharp looking with clear lenses, so anything that diffuses the light detracts from the appearance. Plus I took a hit on the performance of my HID projectors.
The old Veil looked nice when wet, but looked like !@#$ when dry. Does the new Veil retain more of its "wet" or a shinier look when dry? BTW, when I had an older Saturn, the old Veil looked ok on the headlights, but not so with my Audi.
If the new Veil looks nice on my A4's headlights, that + Laser Shield + ZR4 should eliminate my laser worries.
how does the the work on glass lights? both the head lights and fog lights on my Jeep are glass, will the veil work well and not flake off?
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
How do we pre order?
Question:
Is Veil G4 still flammable = impossible to send from US to EU ?
Thnx for your time.
No Problems in life only solutions....Quote:
Originally Posted by pipinos1976
Good old surface mail (cheapest route too) should suffice .
Before people started odd type 'flying' lessons and leaving strange
packages on tube trains I used to bring in food grade Hydrogen
Peroxide from the States (for oxygen therapy Mr Bournes
colleagues*1) without any problems.
1, Oh Oh who told you I was paranoid? etc etc.....
Nice, I'm glad to see that you have just about finished your product. I just checked to see when we last spoke and it was May 25th 2007. Wow you did do some through testing!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
It looks like we will be testing some on a Honda S2000 (I think). I'd love to test it out on my car before I ever turn a jammer on. I have some big headlights! I'm relying on the jammer. It should be fine against the LTI guns, it's the Stalker and the L.A that present a challenge. The PL III (if available) should be the least of all of our worries.
Nice job though guys!! It looks like a quality product.
Any updates on when the G4 will be released?
Heck, if it's that good I may have the whole car sprayed :lol: