Please clarify this for me

[focalcivic]

When you have the Lasersheild on your plate, do you need to put Veil on it, or is it good to go on its own?

[AirMoore]

You do NOT NEED to use Veil on the LaserShield... both are 'stand-alone ' passive countermeasures.


Many people on here Veil the LS because it is thought that it will further help reduce the lidar signature of the plate. (Instead of just diffuse it will absorb and diffuse... the absorb via Veil and the diffuse via laser shield.) Though I have not seen any actual lidar tests (via a gun) that show/prove this (tests that were specifically designed to show a LS with Veil and an LS without Veil for comparison). I have seen many photos have been posted that show this is most likely an effective 1-2punch.


Also a big reason why you see laser-shield veiled isbecause its rather 'cheap' for the most part and many people would rather take the risk of a 'botched' application with that, compared to botching a Veil application on their LP.

[focalcivic]

You do NOT NEED to use Veil on the LaserShield... both are 'stand-alone ' passive countermeasures.


Many people on here Veil the LS because it is thought that it will further help reduce the lidar signature of the plate. (Instead of just diffuse it will absorb and diffuse... the absorb via Veil and the diffuse via laser shield.) Though I have not seen any actual lidar tests (via a gun) that show/prove this (tests that were specifically designed to show a LS with Veil and an LS without Veil for comparison). I have seen many photos have been posted that show this is most likely an effective 1-2punch.


Also a big reason why you see laser-shield veiled isbecause its rather 'cheap' for the most part and many people would rather take the risk of a 'botched' application with that, compared to botching a Veil application on their LP.

The Veil can is not that big, so I would think it might be a waste to put Veil on the Lasershield?

[TSi+WRX]

The can isn't that big, but it goes a loooooonnnnng way.

I think I'm about half-way through my G2 can, and I've done, like, at least 3 rental-cars with them, all with pretty darned big headlights....

The LaserShield really shouldn't take much to coat.

[focalcivic]

The can isn't that big, but it goes a loooooonnnnng way.

I think I'm about half-way through my G2 can, and I've done, like, at least 3 rental-cars with them, all with pretty darned big headlights....

The LaserShield really shouldn't take much to coat.

Why would you do rental cars? Do you take it off before returning them?

[IXLR8]

So this has been done and looks ok? In other words not likely to be a ticket magnet?

I hadn't really thought of doing this, but why not since I'm getting both?!

[TSi+WRX]

Why would you do rental cars? Do you take it off before returning them?

^ Yep - I do it to rental cars because I've yet to budget-in a quickly removable and re-mount-able active jamming solution, for when we rent vehicles for road-trips (having to tote an infants' "life support" around, in either a WRX or Legacy sedan, is not exactly feasible).

VEIL's been my best passive defense, other than having a detector.

You (meaning me ) do what you can.

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So this has been done and looks ok? In other words not likely to be a ticket magnet?

Looks OK?

Ticket magnet?

Those, unfortunately, are both subjective.

The first is up to you.

The latter, up to the attitudes of your enforcers.

[JDS]

You want the world's greatest roadtrip car?

W140 Mercedes S-class.

They're the ultimate autobahn cruiser, they're as comfortable as anything you will EVER ride in, and they have more than enough room (before they days of portable DVD players, my dad duct-taped a full-sized CRT television with built-in VHS player to a plank of wood and lay the plank of wood down between the center console and the center of the rear bench seat, so that my sister could watch videotapes...the TV actually fit right between the two front seats).

They're probably really cheap these days.

[Stealth Stalker]

Not dissing Veil or anything, but I don't think I'd veil my LP or the Laser Shield. It does piss cops off to see that smoked cover, and if he's bored, he's going to find a reason to hassle you. Laser Shields work quite well and don't cause that same level of interest. Clear 3M duct tape under it probably works even better. For a rental car, either of the two above measures is a lot better than Veiling an LP.

[TSi+WRX]

Not dissing Veil or anything, but I don't think I'd veil my LP or the Laser Shield. It does piss cops off to see that smoked cover, and if he's bored, he's going to find a reason to hassle you. Laser Shields work quite well and don't cause that same level of interest. Clear 3M duct tape under it probably works even better. For a rental car, either of the two above measures is a lot better than Veiling an LP.

^ I'm honestly not sure.

I know that's what you think, SS, and I know that you're probably a pretty darned good judge of the attitudes of your local enforcers, but that may not carry through to all areas.

There have been past posts here on these Forums, as well as elsewhere in autodom, of hobbyists specifically choosing to VEIL their plate/plate-cover - rather than using the LaserShield - in order to specifically satisfy their local enforcers' prevailing attitudes and preferences.

For example, in many areas where LIDAR enforcement is the preferred method of speed-enforcement, the LaserShield will actually, itself, get you pulled-over and/or cited.

I truly think that this is something that needs to be decided on a per-person/per-application/per-locale basis, and that blanket statements cannot be drawn.

We must, as fellow hobbyists and enthusiasts, work to present to our peers *all* of the available options, so that they can do what's best, FOR THEM.

I think it's important for each individual hobbyist to look at what their areas' enforcers attitudes and preferences are, to first evaluate those carefully, and then to look at what kind of countermeasures - in this manner - may be more or less acceptable. Similarly, I think that it is also vital that each unique hobbyist look to determine, specific to their situation, which countermeasure(s) would look least out-of-place on their vehicle as well, given their own unique preferences and profiles.