When you have the Lasersheild on your plate, do you need to put Veil on it, or is it good to go on its own?
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When you have the Lasersheild on your plate, do you need to put Veil on it, or is it good to go on its own?
You do NOT NEED to use Veil on the LaserShield... both are 'stand-alone ' passive countermeasures.
Many people on here Veil the LS because it is thought that it will further help reduce the lidar signature of the plate. (Instead of just diffuse it will absorb and diffuse... the absorb via Veil and the diffuse via laser shield.) Though I have not seen any actual lidar tests (via a gun) that show/prove this (tests that were specifically designed to show a LS with Veil and an LS without Veil for comparison). I have seen many photos have been posted that show this is most likely an effective 1-2punch.
Also a big reason why you see laser-shield veiled isbecause its rather 'cheap' for the most part and many people would rather take the risk of a 'botched' application with that, compared to botching a Veil application on their LP.
The Veil can is not that big, so I would think it might be a waste to put Veil on the Lasershield?Quote:
Originally Posted by AirMoore
The can isn't that big, but it goes a loooooonnnnng way.
I think I'm about half-way through my G2 can, and I've done, like, at least 3 rental-cars with them, all with pretty darned big headlights.... :)
The LaserShield really shouldn't take much to coat.
Why would you do rental cars? Do you take it off before returning them?Quote:
Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
So this has been done and looks ok? In other words not likely to be a ticket magnet?
I hadn't really thought of doing this, but why not since I'm getting both?!:cool:
^ Yep - I do it to rental cars because I've yet to budget-in a quickly removable and re-mount-able active jamming solution, for when we rent vehicles for road-trips (having to tote an infants' "life support" :lol: around, in either a WRX or Legacy sedan, is not exactly feasible).Quote:
Originally Posted by focalcivic
VEIL's been my best passive defense, other than having a detector.
You (meaning me :p) do what you can. :)
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Looks OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by IXLR8
Ticket magnet?
Those, unfortunately, are both subjective.
The first is up to you. :)
The latter, up to the attitudes of your enforcers.
You want the world's greatest roadtrip car?
W140 Mercedes S-class.
They're the ultimate autobahn cruiser, they're as comfortable as anything you will EVER ride in, and they have more than enough room (before they days of portable DVD players, my dad duct-taped a full-sized CRT television with built-in VHS player to a plank of wood and lay the plank of wood down between the center console and the center of the rear bench seat, so that my sister could watch videotapes...the TV actually fit right between the two front seats).
They're probably really cheap these days.
Not dissing Veil or anything, but I don't think I'd veil my LP or the Laser Shield. It does piss cops off to see that smoked cover, and if he's bored, he's going to find a reason to hassle you. Laser Shields work quite well and don't cause that same level of interest. Clear 3M duct tape under it probably works even better. For a rental car, either of the two above measures is a lot better than Veiling an LP.
^ I'm honestly not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker
I know that's what you think, SS, and I know that you're probably a pretty darned good judge of the attitudes of your local enforcers, but that may not carry through to all areas.
There have been past posts here on these Forums, as well as elsewhere in autodom, of hobbyists specifically choosing to VEIL their plate/plate-cover - rather than using the LaserShield - in order to specifically satisfy their local enforcers' prevailing attitudes and preferences.
For example, in many areas where LIDAR enforcement is the preferred method of speed-enforcement, the LaserShield will actually, itself, get you pulled-over and/or cited.
I truly think that this is something that needs to be decided on a per-person/per-application/per-locale basis, and that blanket statements cannot be drawn.
We must, as fellow hobbyists and enthusiasts, work to present to our peers *all* of the available options, so that they can do what's best, FOR THEM. :)
I think it's important for each individual hobbyist to look at what their areas' enforcers attitudes and preferences are, to first evaluate those carefully, and then to look at what kind of countermeasures - in this manner - may be more or less acceptable. Similarly, I think that it is also vital that each unique hobbyist look to determine, specific to their situation, which countermeasure(s) would look least out-of-place on their vehicle as well, given their own unique preferences and profiles.
Agreed. And I'm not saying that LEO dislikes one more than the other. I am speaking only of the likelihood of it catching their attention at a glance. Driving down the road, glancing at cars that pass me, I am going to noticed a smoked/tinted/Veiled LP cover a lot faster than I am going to notice a Laser Shield. The dark cover simply stands out more. As a cop, as I drove down the street, I looked at two things on the cars passing me: the front LP and the inspection and registration stickers on the windshield. That's a lot to see in a very short time as the car passes you. I didn't have time to inspect the plate, only to see if it was there or not. There is no way I would notice a Laser Shield, but those dark covers stand out like a sore thumb.
Of course, if the officer is behind you and staring down your plate, it doesn't matter what you have, lol. But honestly, few officers really know anything about countermeasures and don't know what the Laser Shield is. Those that know still think they don't work, so they don't really care.
^ Ah, there's the catch - you - wouldn't notice the LaserShield covered plate, but there's been reports, both here in our little community just on this Forum, as well as in greater autodom, that enforcers in LIDAR-heavy areas *do* take notice of this device, even on a "first pass" basis.
Your attitude towards the LaserShield may be prevalent in your own community - but please know that this is not "across the board," and that our own community members here have pursued OTHER means of plate coverage, to circumvent this very issue.
:)
This is why some here have pursued VEIL'ing their plate and/or plate-cover, and is also, historically, interestingly enough, the reason how the 3M Clear Duct Tape came into use.
To you, in your specific area, via your local practice conventions, the "tinted plate covers" are a no-no, and serve to attract more attention than not. That's totally reasonable.
But it is just as important to note that in other areas, this may well not be the case, and it could be something as theoretically "invisible" as the LaserShield or 3M Clear Duct Tape, that gets the wrong kind of attention.
I'm not here to say that any one such countermeasure is better or worse, more fitting or less.
I truly believe that this is an individual variable, and that what you may do in your area may not fit mine, and that, in-turn, it may not fit another's.