Russ Lemmon: Red-light cameras like smoking bans, seat belts: You'll get used to them and appreciate them TCPalm.com
One of the worst Pro- camera articles I have ever read.
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Russ Lemmon: Red-light cameras like smoking bans, seat belts: You'll get used to them and appreciate them TCPalm.com
One of the worst Pro- camera articles I have ever read.
Well, if you put a frog in cold water and raise the temperature slowly enough he'll never jump out and will boil to death. Doesn't mean the frog isn't being cooked just because he's used to it!
People squawked during prohibition too... bad article.
Lemmon sounds more like a Lemming.
Great analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Chariot
WTF? it takes a camera for this guy to be a safe driver?:stupid: WOWQuote:
Russ Lemmon: Red-light cameras like smoking bans, seat belts: You'll get used to them and appreciate them
All I know is, I’m a better driver when red-light cameras are around. I’m more alert, more aware of my surroundings. Driving in Indian River County doesn’t require nearly as much concentration.
I always wear my seat belt, but I don't think it should be a law ... the caveat being "as long as the taxpayers don't have to foot some idiot's medical bill in the aftermath" (same for helmet laws).
Smoking bans I'm 100% in favor of... it's a public health issue and fcuk smokers anyway.
Red light cameras are money motivated and have nothing to do with safety, so I'll never think they are a good thing.
I'm not /100%/ in favor of the bans. I think private businesses should have the power to decide if smoking will be allowed in their establishment. If you're worried about your health, and the business does not have a NO SMOKING policy, don't patronize said business. Public bans in the streets that a locality has jurisdiction over however, I would not be necessarily opposed to. I am a smoker, but at the same time I understand how smoking effects those around me, and being in PUBLIC is different then a PRIVATE venue. Plus I carry an e-cig now, just don't have any new filters or e-liquid for it at the moment, and as long as those remain legal, which they should as there is no SMOKE emitted, just an odorless vapor that is not harmful to the health of others around you, I'm given a choice on how to get my fix :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Obsidian
Somehow, I don't think I could appreciate something that would force me and my hard earned money to part ways.
Hmm, I see signs all the time here that say the fine is $212.50. These signs are at non-camera intersections. The camera ones just have a huge "Orlando Stops" sign. At those intersections, the fine is:Quote:
In Florida, the state will receive $70 to $100 of each $158 fine.
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Since the City of Orlando adopted a civil enforcement process for red light signal violations, no points will be assessed against the vehicle owner. A civil fine in the amount of $125.00 will be assessed for the first two violations and a civil fine in the amount of $250.00 will be assessed for the third and any subsequent violation by the owner in any three year period
I could not believe the guy admitted that having cameras around made him a better drive and I was just about to say we need this guy off the roads and first response to his article was someone saying the exact same thing.
Putting Seat and traffic light camera together with smoking bans was stupid too, I agree with no smoking in public place since I do not want your smoke killing me, but if you want to kill yourself for not wearing a seat belt go ahead, it may help the rest of us. Also as we said red light camera will not stop the idiot form running the light, how many videos we saw of someone running the light caught on the red light camera and the person slams into traffic, why didn't the camera stop them.
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO FIGHT SEATBELT LAWS?
Seatbelt laws cross the line between what is acceptable and what is not in free society. Seatbelt laws assert the right of government to interfere in your private life. Seatbelt laws establish the principle of the "victimless crime"; that is, to punish you even though you have done no harm. Seatbelt laws set a dangerous precedent. If government has a right to force you to wear a seatbelt, then government has the right to tell you what to wear, what to eat, when to get up, when to go to bed, what you may do or not do for recreation, in short, to take away all your rights as an adult. It says that the people are children and that government is their parent. That was the nightmare envisaged by George Orwell in his novel, "1984".
Governments never use such rights in a benevolent way. Such rights are always abused. Under the cynical and hypocritical pretext of only being concerned about your welfare, such laws are used as a pretext for the police to stop you, harass you and rip you off. They open the door to the police state.
Even if seatbelts were of some benefit, no sane person would use them voluntarily. The chance of a safe driver being killed in an automobile accident is less than one in a billion vehicle miles. Sane people act on the basis of probability, not possibility. A person who wears a seatbelt voluntarily is a mentally ill person who suffers from anxiety neurosis. Life is full of danger. We might get hit by a truck when we cross the street; we might get shot in a hold-up when we go to the bank; we might get hit by lightning when we go outside. But sane people do not normally wear bullet proof vests or carry lightning rods.
Bullet proof vests and lightning rods are known to be beneficial. The same cannot be said of seatbelts. Seatbelts are, in fact, of no benefit but rather increase the chance of being killed or injured in an automobile accident. This has been shown by extensive research which has been published at THE SAFETY CHOICE COALITION and THE SAFETY CHOICE COALITION. Seatbelts laws and seatbelt propaganda are a cynical scam designed to sell seatbelts and give the police an excuse to stop people, harass them and rip them off. The details of how the government does this are also to be found at the above mentioned web-sites with documention from the government's own files.
While the patriot act is undoubtedly a danger to our safety and liberty in the long run, not many people have as yet been victimized by the patriot act. It is through the seatbelt laws that the largest numbers of Americans are victimized by their government. It is the seatbelt laws which represent the most immediate source of danger to our liberty and our safety. It is the seatbelt laws which have set the precedent for other Orwellian laws such as motorcycle helmet laws, bicycle helmet laws, "personal flotation device" laws and on and on. Because government has gotten away with the seatbelt scam, new Orwellian laws are constantly being introduced in our state and federal legislatures. Unless we can get these laws repealed we can kiss our liberty goodbye.
Visit THE SAFETY CHOICE COALITION or THE SAFETY CHOICE COALITION to educate yourself on this issue. We must get 23 USC 153, 157, 402, 405 and 406 repealed if we are to preserve our liberty. The hour is late. Already a huge organization is in place, run by NHTSA and funded by hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money, to spread lying propaganda about seatbelts and to pressure and pay state police to use threats, harassment and intimidation to force people to use these dangerous devices. Numerous phony front organizations are being used, maskerading as independent organizations but in fact funded and controlled by NHTSA. These organizations lobby, pressure and bribe state legislatures to pass ever more draconian seatbelt laws, using millions of dollars of federal funds, as does NHTSA itself. Public relations firms, such as Campaigns on Demand, Inc. and Media Strategies, Inc. are hired with millions of dollars of tax payer money to run campaigns of lying propaganda. There are dozens of phony web sites, fake letter writing campaigns pretending to be from ordinary citizens, in short, every dirty trick in the book is being used to promote this scam, at taxpayer expense.
But of course all this is just the opening wedge. It set the stage for the airbag scam, the helmet laws, the "personal flotation device" laws, the "safety inspections" without warrant or probable cause. It set the stage for the patriot act.
Ask your senators and representatives to repeal 23 USC 153, 157, 402, 405 and 406; and to sequester the seatbelt money in P.L. 109-115.