NEW RD OWNER AND RD.NET USER

[CJR238]

The TrueLock feature doesn't work as advertised on the 9500i!!!!!!! That is my problem with the detector. A person believing Escort on their trueLock feature like 'thestaton' did with the 9500i he purchased and locked out half of the false singlas in Delaware to find out he didn't onlylock out the false signals but the whole radar band in that area. That is totally not safe.

Here are some videos showing the escort not working as advertised
Escort 9500i TrueLock Problems (Lab test)
Escort 9500i Locking Out Real World test

Sorry but Escort 9500i TrueLock feature doesn't work!!!! Sothe response would be just run Highway mode. But then you have the same detection ability as the 8500 X50! So why waste $150 for a feature that doesn't work as it should and leaves you open for a ticket? The Escort 8500 X50 is far superior to the 9500i believe it or not.

can someone please explain this to crazyVOLVOrob.
True lock works as advertised (now). No it’s not perfect but it works.
How could you possibly read what the Escort site says and see jimbonzzz explanation of true lock and say it doesn’t work. It locks out 30MHz wide blocks of false radar to decrease the chances of blocking out other radar.
yes in the unlikely event a LEO happens to be running almost the same frequency you blocked (k or x only) and is using a very week radar that you don’t pick up 1/2mi away (or think hmm I never had that here before?) and you happen to be speeding through the town blindly ignoring traffic lights and traffic you certainly may get a ticket.
watch the demo and read these words:
"wether its radar based"
"what happens when there is a diffrent signal than the one you locked out"

obveusley when there is a diffrent signal it will warn you, even when it was blocking the hole band on the ones you tested. a diffrent signal would be diffrent.

In the testing I did here:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=25754

It shows a lockout segment size of about 30 MHz, NOT 300 MHz. And note that this isn't simply +/- 15 MHz, the segments are pre-defined.

For Truelock, as far as I can determine K-Band is split into eight segments of 31-32 MHz, like so:



The 9500i sweeps a bit beyond the police K-Band to ensure that the police K-Band is covered even if there is a bit of oscillator drift. The numbers inside the green segments represent what would be displayed in Tech mode for a signal that falls anywhere in that segment (for more on this see here).

If one were to lock out a signal at a particular location, 24.151 for this example, the segment shown in red would be locked out:



In this example, the locked out segment covers approx. 24.150-24.181. At that location, if a signal is detected in that range, the 9500i would not alert.

24.151 is on the lower edge of the segment. So, if the signal source you locked out drifted in frequency slighty to 24.149, then the 9500i would alert to it since it would fall into the "24.134" segment.

One thing that confuses people with Truelock is that they assume that Tech Mode has a lot better resolution tha it actually does. Per the examples and because of the way the segments work, with the 24.165 segment locked out, the detector might show 24.134 but doesn't display another frequency until 24.197, 63 MHz away. This might lead people to believe that a larger segment is locked out, when in reality it is only ~30 MHz.

But it gets more complex.

Of course you will see some different numbers for Tech display. As the detector drifts and self-calibrates, the actual frequency area that gets swept changes slightly, as does the frequencies displayed in tech display. In the example below, the area swept is shifted slightly in relation to the actual police K-Band, but the whole band is still being swept. But, the segment sizes do not change.

I don't know all the details, but below is my concept of how this might work:



Notice the green swept area is shifted in relation to the actual police K-band, and the Tech mode numbers have changed by 5 MHz. But, the whole police K-and is still being swept because of the slight oversweep. At some point, the detector would self-calibrate and this would be centered a bit better, or could be offset slightly the other way.

So, you'll see some different frequencies displayed for Tech mode although the segment sizes do not change.

Another thing that confuses people about Truelock is that there is a lot more things happening with the software than meets the eye. For example, in my testing videos, I demonstrated that the 9500i remembers past signals detected at a given location for a certain period of time, and if a subsequent signal is detected at that location and you lock it out, then it doesn't only lock out the signal the 9500i is alerting to at tht present time, but also could be locking a previous signal detected at that location that is no longer present.

Jim

[CJR238]

thanks Rob I was hunting for that GoL video.

if you have to know I was the one operating the Decatur K band gun. RacerX was wanting to quit after the instant on test, but I convinced him to do a constant on run. however him and happya$$ where laughing at me, and told me to give it up, it didn't work.

If anyone put there neck out on the line & wanted to love the 9500i it was me. But it bite me one to many times.

We knew you just enjoyed shooting the radar gun :wink:

Yeah you were very happy with your 9500i until you guys made that video. I remember each time we got to see the results you were always saying that it was still in the top 3 performance wise.

"thestaton" I know you really wanted the 9500I to work and gave it a fair chance. My biggest point to you is that the only real (non preference) problem the unit has is off axis, and even in that case it would be better than 80% of the RD's out there. So why completely denounce it?
Its not like you got a ticket, all the 9500 was doing was only alerting if there was a real threat, Alerting as you went parallel to 2 officers shows they were off axes, and radar over 30 degrees doesn’t matter anyway. Plus you didn’t get any reflection of radar so they probably put there gun on there seat.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

can someone please explain this to crazyVOLVOrob.
True lock works as advertised (now).

I'll believe it when i see it with my own two eyes!!!! Beltronics and Escort is well known for streching the truth. And possibly why the results of testers that are paided are different from independent non-paid testers. On and I know this industry all too well to listen to a person's sudden change of heart on a detector especially when the video made was deleted
:roll: :roll:

Off axis is huge in Virginia, New Jersey and parts of New York.
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CJR238- You have the complex that you need to justify the $450 you spent for your detector. Great I don't care. I spent money to get the best detector of Stalker Radar guns. Each detector is different per person as you said. But after seeing the performance of 9500i and talking to the owners about their experiences I will never purchase a detector until it's proven(By independent testers who don't except money from manufacturers) to be the best through and through.

[CJR238]

I actually spent $300 for it so it’s steel in my book, hell anyone would buy it for $300. I can even switch it out for an upgrade when ever I want. I will switch it out in a few more months and let everyone know if there are any differences. (I have had 2 so far)
I agree with your personal suspicions about the true lock but please don’t say it doesn’t work. It mostly works and quite well for what they are really trying to do (smart enough to know a LEO from a door). Escort was very specific in there wording to leave them a way out. Yes they should have given more detail for there customer but that is not always in the best interest for the company.

Independent tests usually give the most unbiased info but more times than not they are incomplete. Not enough funds/time to be thorough.

In my town LEO's only run KA and as time goes on this will be more prevalent in most areas, then true lock will work exactly the way you want.

Thanks for taking the time to read my true loc info. Now you know it works maybe not how you want but it works.