Difference between IO & QT

[CJR238]

QT, I/O laser at close to point blank range weather its a V1 or cobra will make no difference.

I agree. It's just this statement is a little misleading:

QT though perceived as a specific technique to defeat RD's it has no additional risk than regular I/O under most circumstances.

QT does pose an additional risk to non-V1 users. Because if you are heading towards a QT trap, you may not get any advance warning when the LEO targets a car that is ahead of you. My first video demonstrates this.

I really just wanted to state the QT parameters with out discussing specific RD's but im sure after a few responses ill add some detail to help people with QT in there area.

It deepens if SS supports it or it becomes a Belscort vs V1 thread.

If you make the thread strictly about the facts of
1. What we define quick trigger as
and
2. What detectors can pick up radar bursts of what duration on what bands

(The second backed up by testing videos if necessary)

Then we can have a argument free thread. You can't argue with facts. They can go debate about if Q/T is a threat elsewhere. (thats opinion at this point it seems not facts )

Its up. Its all about the definition of QT, the facts as to its legal usage and likely hood of its use. Nothing about what does pick up QT or not just the basic facts.

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...iscussion.html

snoopyc4, a "Tips and Tricks for Handling TX DPS QT" would be good. Figured i would ad the advantages of the V1's QT responce once some good responces are made.

[Fiah]

In the end QT is not standard practice and any LEO using it unless otherwise stated specifically in your state is risking his job.

I guess a lot of TX DPS troopers as well as my locals are going to get fired.

x2 snoopy

[CJR238]

In the end QT is not standard practice and any LEO using it unless otherwise stated specifically in your state is risking his job.

I guess a lot of TX DPS troopers as well as my locals are going to get fired.

x2 snoopy

Wish someone in TX would try and correct this travesty.

[Curti]

The LEOs are using it in the Eastern suburbs of St Paul Minnesota. (Washington County / Cottage Grove area) I got hit with IO IO (instant on, instant off) point blank in my truck at about 500 -700 ft going the PSL., no problem. Two days later I was hit twice in the same day in my Vette at a greater distance saved by a rabbit. In all three instances the Bel gave just one loud chirp.

[YTCD]

First off stalker you hit the nail on the head, as far as this quick trigger argument all across this forum goes is a bunch of BS just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's tryingto prove that their detector is superior too one another. The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means.. belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee... As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5... Valentine needs a major overhaul...belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..

[Riptide]

The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means..
Not with Ka band, but you did say almost all
belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee...
Notice they are moving away from the quietness, Their newest detector the Redline while probably not as noisy as a V1 isn't nearly as quiet as a 9500ix
As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5...
My STi-R does awsome with 35.5 maybe better than it does with K band
Valentine needs a major overhaul...
I wouldn't say a major overhaul but they do need something new
belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..
They do this more than VR does, instead of just offering one detector they offer many (to many in my opinion)

Both companies have their flaws, you just need to decide which one is right for you. Since I live in VA its an M3, if I lived in texas I'd have a V1, if I were richer I'd probably own a V1 to go along with my M3.

[CJR238]

Well said Riptide.

And:

First off stalker you hit the nail on the head, as far as this quick trigger argument all across this forum goes is a bunch of BS just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's tryingto prove that their detector is superior too one another. The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means.. belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee... As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5... Valentine needs a major overhaul...belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..

I agree the QT BS is just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's trying to prove that their detector is better than one another. Not one is perfect for everyone.

As for the V1 being best performer. Its by no means the best raw performer, its not much better than a 9500ix and no where near my 9500ci in most cases and just as good with others. Plus non of my units other than the V1 struggle with 35.5.

However the V1 for its price is by far the best well rounded unit, it doesn't lean too much towards filtering or sensitivity and has a fast response some need.

I too wish the national government would let us choose what's right for us, the problem is most people aren't smart enough to know what's best for them. And for some reason some feel obligated to support them, give them the info they need, teach them then let them make there own decision. .

[YTCD]

K

The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means..
Not with Ka band, but you did say almost all
belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee...
Notice they are moving away from the quietness, Their newest detector the Redline while probably not as noisy as a V1 isn't nearly as quiet as a 9500ix
As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5...
My STi-R does awsome with 35.5 maybe better than it does with K band
Valentine needs a major overhaul...
I wouldn't say a major overhaul but they do need something new
belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..
They do this more than VR does, instead of just offering one detector they offer many (to many in my opinion)

Both companies have their flaws, you just need to decide which one is right for you. Since I live in VA its an M3, if I lived in texas I'd have a V1, if I were richer I'd probably own a V1 to go along with my M3.

In means of the raw sensitivity I wasn't meaning performance I meant when it comes down to basics and raw detection the V1 is better, there's a big difference.. just like when it comes down to the raw performance of searching/processing a signal the Whistler's are far superior. Performance of all detectors is sub-par no matter which way you look at it. And No one detector is perfect even though the capabilities are there. That's the sad part. Practically a 9500CIR..a raw 9500ci would be perfect. . Raw detection, no filtering of signals.. just GPS location based filtering only, ka band segmentation, and a platform that is never to become obsolete. Which is another whole different argument and problem with belscort as well..

And as far as them moving away from quietness the redline is no quieter than my STI maybe a couple seconds at best when it comes down to a false radar source. The redline to me is just a tweaked m3, and another way of escort getting major bucks when all we really would need to do is send our current STI or same based detector in.

And your STIr does horrible at 35.5, mine running 35.5 only did an okay job. Yea it does alright most of the time i mean s*** my sti ive had 4 mile 35.5 detections but the question u have to ask yourself is does it do what u needed it to when you really needed it to.. when u have no rabbits or in which I come across the most.. when your traveling down a back road and the nearest car in front of you is a mile ahead and you have trees, off axis, terrain and I/O.. facing you.. is your STI-r doing what its expose to and alerting when he targets that car a mile in front of you.. even though the signal is present. Lets see I already know the answer to that.. no.

Valentine needs a MAJOR overhaul just like belscort does. But let me state what ure reasoning behind that statement was which im already aware of.. the thing that everyone is gonna throw in my face but I'm already competent of is that the V1 is a great detector and everything about it is upholding to the current aged detectors. Yes very true but Valentines not looking in the future.. they have the right idea but there in an anolog age in a digital world.. there detector needs to be completley remodeled in every area.. design, deminsions, digiality, technological, user interface, etc etc etc.. a lot of it they have right, especially the obsolescence factor.. just the way they go about it in some ways needs to be updated.. just a basic example of what i mean and getting to.. is instead of using the mail for just an update to the software use a computer to update it..

One point/advantqge that a v1 should be decided over any other detector but i rarely see it anymore used as a incentitive is that the V1 and the company behind it will never allow it to become obsolete..Valentine could fix their off axis problems and not change a tenth of there detector.. all we would have to do is send it off and a few days later get back what looks to be the same detector but ohh so different.. why do u think valentines are still around?

And they do make decisions, way more than Valentine does, they choose not to put ka segmentation on their detectors when its as simple as a software change but could and would make such a difference.. they choose to make our detectors quiet when it should be our decision how quiet they are and yet again would be as simple as a software change

Your trying to deflect what is ohh so obvious, I've been around and tested and used detectors for quite a while.. a lot less than several people on this forum and what I know is that the counter measure business has barely made any improvement and the measure business has made nothing but Improvment.

[YTCD]

Well said Riptide.

And:

First off stalker you hit the nail on the head, as far as this quick trigger argument all across this forum goes is a bunch of BS just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's tryingto prove that their detector is superior too one another. The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means.. belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee... As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5... Valentine needs a major overhaul...belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..

I agree the QT BS is just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's trying to prove that their detector is better than one another. Not one is perfect for everyone.

As for the V1 being best performer. Its by no means the best raw performer, its not much better than a 9500ix and no where near my 9500ci in most cases and just as good with others. Plus non of my units other than the V1 struggle with 35.5.

However the V1 for its price is by far the best well rounded unit, it doesn't lean too much towards filtering or sensitivity and has a fast response some need.

I too wish the national government would let us choose what's right for us, the problem is most people aren't smart enough to know what's best for them. And for some reason some feel obligated to support them, give them the info they need, teach them then let them make there own decision. .

Yes not one is perfect for one person or one purpose/use for that matter.

And by no means was I meaning that the Valentine was the best performer hahawhy do u think I had the 9500ci? I mean as far as detection, prssing, And interpreting signals.. the raw and basic part of a detector it is the best.

And the sad part about it is that people are missing the point of the reasoningbehind getting a high end detector. I meanshoot even a Whistler will do most of our everyday needs but the reason we get a high end is so that we are protected when we our in less than pleasing situations ie instant on.. no rabbits or targets in sight.. so basically picking up faint signals that are by no means not present and alerting them to us. But what I'm getting down to is how as a detector company are you going to put out a product that is very high end and ohh lets see 1600 dollars high end and allow it to not pick up instant on that is ohh so present

[CJR238]

Well said Riptide.

And:

First off stalker you hit the nail on the head, as far as this quick trigger argument all across this forum goes is a bunch of BS just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's tryingto prove that their detector is superior too one another. The plain and simple finish to this argument is that the V1 is the best raw performance detector.. in almost all means.. belscorts would rather increase quietness and process each and every signal to a tee... As far as the detectors go all of them need work.. they all suck at 35.5... Valentine needs a major overhaul...belscort needs to stop making all the decisions on what's best for us likethe national government is doing and let us choose whats right for us..

I agree the QT BS is just another way of the zombies from BOTH company's trying to prove that their detector is better than one another. Not one is perfect for everyone.

As for the V1 being best performer. Its by no means the best raw performer, its not much better than a 9500ix and no where near my 9500ci in most cases and just as good with others. Plus non of my units other than the V1 struggle with 35.5.

However the V1 for its price is by far the best well rounded unit, it doesn't lean too much towards filtering or sensitivity and has a fast response some need.

I too wish the national government would let us choose what's right for us, the problem is most people aren't smart enough to know what's best for them. And for some reason some feel obligated to support them, give them the info they need, teach them then let them make there own decision. .

Yes not one is perfect for one person or one purpose/use for that matter.

And by no means was I meaning that the Valentine was the best performer hahawhy do u think I had the 9500ci? I mean as far as detection, prssing, And interpreting signals.. the raw and basic part of a detector it is the best.

And the sad part about it is that people are missing the point of the reasoningbehind getting a high end detector. I meanshoot even a Whistler will do most of our everyday needs but the reason we get a high end is so that we are protected when we our in less than pleasing situations ie instant on.. no rabbits or targets in sight.. so basically picking up faint signals that are by no means not present and alerting them to us. But what I'm getting down to is how as a detector company are you going to put out a product that is very high end and ohh lets see 1600 dollars high end and allow it to not pick up instant on that is ohh so present

Yes i agree, my 9500ix did awesome for years no need for a $1600 unit. However there hasn't been an instance yet where my 9500i/ix's wouldn't have done a fine job. So far i have seen only small advantages of my V1 over my 9500i/ix's. As for I/O, I haven't missed one, yet.