POP ON and Junk Filter on

[North Alabama]

Hey everybody so it is my understanding that having POP on will increase the sensitivity to instant on radar guns is this correct? my second question is does turning on the new junk-k fighter decrease the sensitivity? I want it the be the most sensitive as possible, would that be POP on and junk k fighter off? or does the junk k fighter use software that doesn't effect the sensitivity to actual radar guns? thanks

POP will increase the SPEED of detection of MPH guns (K and 33.8) due to the extra scans, but will scan 34.7 and 35.5 fewer times. The fighter (TMF also included) will delay the K band alarm for 1-2 seconds in general, so if you get hit with K I/O, you will not know it right then.....Segment the bands in the V1 with apps is the way to go to get what you want (no Ka Guard)......Sensitivity increase persay (seen by father away alarms) is when you turn off all filtering and delays allowing floor noise spikes to alarm (more false alarms).......Hope this will answer your questions Op....

[CeeAre]

Hey everybody so it is my understanding that having POP on will increase the sensitivity to instant on radar guns is this correct? my second question is does turning on the new junk-k fighter decrease the sensitivity? I want it the be the most sensitive as possible, would that be POP on and junk k fighter off? or does the junk k fighter use software that doesn't effect the sensitivity to actual radar guns? thanks

POP will increase the SPEED of detection of MPH guns (K and 33.8) due to the extra scans, but will scan 34.7 and 35.5 fewer times. The fighter (TMF also included) will delay the K band alarm for 1-2 seconds in general, so if you get hit with K I/O, you will not know it right then.....Segment the bands in the V1 with apps is the way to go to get what you want (no Ka Guard)......Sensitivity increase persay (seen by father away alarms) is when you turn off all filtering and delays allowing floor noise spikes to alarm (more false alarms).......Hope this will answer your questions Op....

That really sounded like you know what you're talking about.

Unfortunately, to the unwashed, it sounds like the teacher in a Peanut's cartoon: "Wah wah wah, wha wha WHA wha wha.".

"My Mom is so old, her last name is "Osaurus.".

Bottom line: POP on or off? Given my location (Florida), it's been suggested "off", in that POP is not often found in the first place.

What say you?

Thanks and ride safe,

CR

[michaelalex17]

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Its been tested extensively using my unit on www.radardetectorfourm.org
https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.php?t=41256


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I clicked the link, but it is all about the junk filter. I now understand that putting that on will decrease range, but that doesnt answer the question about POP. I don't care about false alerts, what I want to know is if I will get better range and sensitivity with POP on or off.

[michaelalex17]

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[bluesteel]

"Hey everybody so it is my understanding that having POP on will increase the sensitivity to instant on radar guns is this correct?"

Yes POP increases the sensitivity, but if you are the only car on the road, I/O will nail you with POP on or off. So let someone else take the lead when possible. If there is no other driver willing to take that position, then don't exceed the tolerance level.

"my second question is does turning on the new junk-k fighter decrease the sensitivity?"

I have tested the TMF feature (which includes the junk-k filter) against several fixed constant-on K speed signs (straight and around curves); in heavy, moderate, and light traffic with TMF on and off; maybe 20 times now. I noticed little or no difference in the first alert distance. I imagine the TMF feature technically decreases sensitivity to some degree, or VR wouldn't refer to you as "screwed in the face" Norbert if you activate it.

"I want it to be the most sensitive as possible, would that be POP on and junk k fighter off?"

Yes; but I think the most sensitive settings for the V1 are the chicken-sh*t factory default settings. But if you don't live or drive in New Jersey, turn X off.

[Vortex]

One thing to keep in mind is that the POP setting on the Escort detectors is different than the POP setting on the V1.

Escort's POP is for 67 ms Ka POP only. (They even explicitly call it Ka-POP on the Max.) You get better detection of Ka POP with it on than with it off, yet you can sometimes still catch it with it off. They can't detect 16ms K band POP no matter the setting.

V1's POP is for K band POP. It has absolutely no effect on Ka POP detection. None. However, even with K-POP turned on or off, the V1 is unable to catch 16 ms POP from the V1.

Now let's address Escort's POP implementation first. POP is treated differently than IO/QT. You'd think that having it scan for 33.8 more often would help with 33.8 detection and while I haven't tested that specifically, I don't think that's the case. The reason I say that is that the detector differentiates between a POP shot and a non-POP shot. It appears that when a detector is looking for POP shots, it's NOT looking for non-POP shots. It's why you can turn POP mode on on the Redline, turn off segment 2, and the Redline will alert to POP but not to regular 33.8. If a POP detection was simply looking for the presence of 33.8 while it's searching for POP, it would alert to "POP" if segment 2 was disabled, but this isn't the case. You can see it demonstrated on video here.



So basically, when it's searching for a POP shot, it's looking for a signal to start and then STOP. If the signal continues longer, that's not a POP shot and thus it won't alert as a POP shot. POP mode is specifically designed to catch POP. It doesn't appear to be designed to help with 33.8 detection. Therefore, if you're looking to improve 33.8 detection, turn POP off. POP mode slows everything down in the hope of catching POP shots, plus you'll get false alerts.

Let's address the V1's implementation of POP next. On the V1, you can't turn Ka POP on or off because there is no option to do so. No matter the K-POP setting you choose, Ka POP detection is identical with the V1. Oddly enough, the V1 is unable to catch 16 ms K POP shots no matter how it's configured. Thus my guess is that setting is designed for 67 ms K POP which is in use overseas.

Now given how rarely 67 ms K POP is used Stateside, there is a different reason to use that setting. In practice, K-POP will improve the reactivity of the V1 on K band ever so slightly. I'm talking a matter of a few milliseconds. Turning it off has the tiniest impact on K band reactivity. It's like a less aggressive form of TMF/TMF2. One of the great things about turning K-POP off is that it has no measurable impact on range, it's still way faster than any realworld shot you get, AND it helps cut down on blind spot false alerts similar to TMF/TMF2 but without the performance hits.

Therefore, in practice it is helpful to turn K-POP off because you'll help with diminishing blind spot false alerts on K band. If you don't want to run TMF/TMF2, disable K-POP and you'll have a wildly reactive detector on K band while still getting a reduction in some false alerts.

This is why talking about turning POP on or off is very different depending on if you're talking about Escort products or the V1. They're not the same thing.

As for turning POP mode on? Literally the only reason you'd want to do that with an Escort product is if 67ms Ka POP mode is actually in use in your area. In that case, you'll compromise everything else in order to catch 33.8. As for the V1, if you're in a country where they run 67ms K POP, in that case you'll want K-POP on.

Other than that, just keep POP off...