Veilguy's review of the 2009 SE models

[Jag42]

Dj, Just give it up ..You will not win in the Whistler Forum. Now since your so hyped up on this topic and thread go buy yourself a SE model and prove to me and everyone else How Whistler is a poor performer. But will you post videos of When the Whistler actually out-performs your 1600 remote RD on Ka band in some encounters or are you to emberassed to? LIke i said I'm 100% sure a Whistler would have picked off your missed quick-trigger 34.7 I/0 attacks that your V1 alerted over your 9500CI.

[Cherokee Driver]

Jag, great point you have there. I would not spend $1600 for a RD but I would buy a V1 for its standard price, but since the Xtr695 was getting such rave reviews from its customers other then just the manufactor, I could not resist getting the Xtr695 and I have not looked back.

Im just so suprised that Whistler has come from being a low budget rd. to becoming a premium rd. at lower price point for what it is.

[Michael B]

Dj, Just give it up ..You will not win in the Whistler Forum. Now since your so hyped up on this topic and thread go buy yourself a SE model and prove to me and everyone else How Whistler is a poor performer. But will you post videos of When the Whistler actually out-performs your 1600 remote RD on Ka band in some encounters or are you to emberassed to? LIke i said I'm 100% sure a Whistler would have picked off your missed quick-trigger I/0 attacks that your V1 alerted over your 9500CI.

There is no need to harp on Dj, I can understand his skeptism, I just ask that he wait to test an SE model before commenting further.

As for comparing to his 9500ci dollar for dollar, that is not fair to Dj as his remote costs more money for many more reasons than simply performance.

A remote does cost a lot to manufacturer, no doubt. His 9500ci also comes with a laser shifter and GPS and the hardware/cables for a nice custom installation. There are many additional components to his system that I did not mention but the point is, he should not be taking offence nor should anyone compare this strictly on price as the SE models do not have a laser shifter, nor a GPS, nor the misc other items associated with a remote unit.

I want to thank everyone on this forum for their support, but lets not make enemies with other members, this forum should be used to find common ground. I respect his choice of detectors. He clearly has the money, he wants the best that he can buy, and he clearly wants a remote. The 9500ci fits his requirements.

[Cherokee Driver]

Dj, Just give it up ..You will not win in the Whistler Forum. Now since your so hyped up on this topic and thread go buy yourself a SE model and prove to me and everyone else How Whistler is a poor performer. But will you post videos of When the Whistler actually out-performs your 1600 remote RD on Ka band in some encounters or are you to emberassed to? LIke i said I'm 100% sure a Whistler would have picked off your missed quick-trigger I/0 attacks that your V1 alerted over your 9500CI.

There is no need to harp on Dj, I can understand his skeptism, I just ask that he wait to test an SE model before commenting further.

As for comparing to his 9500ci dollar for dollar, that is not fair to Dj as his remote costs more money for many more reasons than simply performance.

A remote does cost a lot to manufacturer, no doubt. His 9500ci also comes with a laser shifter and GPS and the hardware/cables for a nice custom installation. There are many additional components to his system that I did not mention but the point is, he should not be taking offence nor should anyone compare this strictly on price as the SE models do not have a laser shifter, nor a GPS, nor the misc other items associated with a remote unit.

I want to thank everyone on this forum for their support, but lets not make enemies with other members, this forum should be used to find common ground. I respect his choice of detectors. He clearly has the money, he wants the best that he can buy, and he clearly wants a remote. The 9500ci fits his requirements.

I understand what your saying Micheal B. but Im tired of members like DJ bashing certain products because he has done it over and over in the past and he is allowed a free ride and people tend to walk on rice paper so not "Offend" certain members because they might get upset and cry in the corner.

Im happy that Dj has spent on what he wants but he has no right to bash people and other products that work and who dont want to spend that high dollar amount to get the performance for what they want.

[Jag42]

Dj, Just give it up ..You will not win in the Whistler Forum. Now since your so hyped up on this topic and thread go buy yourself a SE model and prove to me and everyone else How Whistler is a poor performer. But will you post videos of When the Whistler actually out-performs your 1600 remote RD on Ka band in some encounters or are you to emberassed to? LIke i said I'm 100% sure a Whistler would have picked off your missed quick-trigger I/0 attacks that your V1 alerted over your 9500CI.

There is no need to harp on Dj, I can understand his skeptism, I just ask that he wait to test an SE model before commenting further.

As for comparing to his 9500ci dollar for dollar, that is not fair to Dj as his remote costs more money for many more reasons than simply performance.

A remote does cost a lot to manufacturer, no doubt. His 9500ci also comes with a laser shifter and GPS and the hardware/cables for a nice custom installation. There are many additional components to his system that I did not mention but the point is, he should not be taking offence nor should anyone compare this strictly on price as the SE models do not have a laser shifter, nor a GPS, nor the misc other items associated with a remote unit.

I want to thank everyone on this forum for their support, but lets not make enemies with other members, this forum should be used to find common ground. I respect his choice of detectors. He clearly has the money, he wants the best that he can buy, and he clearly wants a remote. The 9500ci fits his requirements.

I will get my 78 SE in a month or so and can't wait to run videos of Tx DPS and there quick-trigger I/0 skills against the Ka Max. Mike B can you tell us which unit you are using now? maybe your favorite one

[MEM-TEK]

MEM-TEK,

Again to be clear, I merely prefer to refer to each product as either:

• Beltronics, not (BEL)
• Escort

Because, yes while they do, in fact, share components/technology, it is my distinct experience that their exists differentiation within each brand.

A reference of Belscort only serves to diminish (or blur) those distinctions that I believe exist, that's what I meant.

Veil Guy

I still like referring to Beltronics and Escort collectively as Belscort because I am thrilled that these former rivals now have a slew of combined patents to draw upon for their RD designs, since they now have the combined talents of each company's engineers, since they have excellent customer service, since the main components are manufactured in North America, and since they continue to come out with really neat new products on a regular basis.

Yet you are quite right that the Beltronics and Escort products have some very distinct flavors to them with regards to inherent features. Thus, to me, its easier to tell people simply to buy a Bel or Escort (Belscort) since all of their products are high quality with extremely good performance, and then that it is simply a matter of choosing the product which has the specific features which they like and which fits their budget.

I will try to stop referring to Beltronics and Escort as Belscort since I really had no idea just how much Beltronics and Escort hate being called Belscort.

[guit123]

dj can go buy a turd for 5000 bucks for all i care. the thing that pisses me off is.. he doesnt have a whistler and still keeps bashing its performance.

i dont have a 9500ci and i think it is a piece of ****.

[Michael B]

I have 1 of each in 3 of my vehicles.

No personal favorite yet, I like each one for a specific reason in each vehicle.

[MEM-TEK]

RE the VG - DJ battle or words...

I should point out a couple of things:

First, Whistler's rev C platform is the only overseas made antenna design which detects 35.5 Ka radar just as well (if not very slightly better) as 34.7 Ka radar. This is a noteworthy difference between Whistler and virtually every other overseas manufactured radar detector brand -- especially Cobra.

Second, I noted several instances where my Pro78 rev C alerted either a few seconds before, at the same time, or only a couple of seconds after my STi did to both 34.7 Ka and 35.5 Ka radar. These particular instances, in all cases, occured while driving along either nearly flat terrain or for very shallow over-the-hill encounters. These particular examples are Mike B's unique signal sweep patent at work. His patent really is PFM (pure ****ing magic) with regards to the way it works in the real world.

Third, I noted that my Pro78 rev C's initial alert lagged a few to several seconds behind my STi in steeper over-the-hill encounters while encountering Ka band radar.

Fourth, Whistler products based on the rev C antenna platform will perform very well for those who live in the plains states and in the desert southwest, and generally performs well for most interstate highway driving. Thats good country for Mike B's patent to be really effective. Yet personally I prefer a RD with more raw sensitivity for use in winding and heavily wooded terrain or for more winding and hilly backroads driving either in the Northeast or Southeast or in the Northwest.

Well, thats my take. It basically boils down to one fact: Whistler rev C platforms do perform amazingly well under certain real world driving conditions, but not all real world driving conditions.

[Divewjason]

dj can go buy a turd for 5000 bucks for all i care. the thing that pisses me off is.. he doesnt have a whistler and still keeps bashing its performance.

i dont have a 9500ci and i think it is a piece of ****.

I agree that he should not bash the performance of Whistler products since he doesn't have one, but the issue he is trying to address is that he thinks that something is interfering with The Veil Guy's 9500ci. Trust me, I'm usually one of the ones arguing with DJ, but I can see his point to an extent. I think the theory of Whistler sending out a fine tuned unit for the review is farfetched.