Like to see the new whistler line internal pc and horn shots

[Buckdarma]

Never mind all that. You probably won't look up the link anyway. Can you answer this one question ?

what does a model like the XTR 435 have this as a fcc designation

FCC ID : HSXWH10 >2003
FCC ID : HSXWH21 >2007

How is one to know without taking them apart?

and didn't you say the HSX 21 was older gun diode tech ?

[Michael B]

The XTR-435 is a VCO design and utilizes HSXWH10. The XTR-435 manual lists both the WH10 and the WH21 as both of these were carried over from the XTR-430 manual when updating it to the XTR-435 and the WH21 did not get removed. The XTR-430 was a transitional model as it started out with the Gunn Diode design but transitioned to VCO design soon thereafter. FYI gunn diode oscillators have been used by Whistler, Escort, Bel, Cobra, Uniden, and countless others as far back as approx. 1980 give or take a year.

[Buckdarma]

FYI DUDE, LOL!

Of course they have been used that far back.

I own TWO of the very first gun diode whistlers ever made.

In fact, I believe I have owned nine or ten whistler models over the years

I have had more whistlers then any other detector in fact

So you sure as heck call me a whistler hater

[Buckdarma]

The XTR-435 is a VCO design and utilizes HSXWH10. The XTR-435 manual lists both the WH10 and the WH21 as both of these were carried over from the XTR-430 manual when updating it to the XTR-435 and the WH21 did not get removed. The XTR-430 was a transitional model as it started out with the Gunn Diode design but transitioned to VCO design soon thereafter. FYI gunn diode oscillators have been used by Whistler, Escort, Bel, Cobra, Uniden, and countless others as far back as approx. 1980 give or take a year.

One thing I don't understand >

> FCC ID : HSXWH10 >2003
FCC ID : HSXWH21 >2007

If you notice on the FCC listing The HSXwh21 gun diode design is actually proposed and accepted in 2007

The voltage controlled ossilator design was submitted and accepted in 2003

Therefore it appears the VCO WH10 is actually a older designed platform your using now

The 435 was transitioned BACK to a 2003 design ?

and it started out with a G/D/O design that was only accepted by the FCC in 2007 ?

[Michael B]

The HSXWH01 was a gunn oscillator design and was done in 2002. We made a change in 2007 and chose to resubmit for testing. This led to a new FCC ID number. Please try not to read too much into this. This started out by you saying Whistler was still using gunn diodes, and I informed you that we had not used the gunn diodes for several years. Rather than accepting my information, you continued to challenge my statement and each time I have done what I can to explain to you that I know what I am talking about without violating company policy. I have no reason to mislead anyone here. I never called you as a Whistler hater as you mentioned above and I would appreciate you correcting this as it is simply not true.

[Buckdarma]

Just trying to figure this all out M/b with the fcc id numbers. Not challenging you whatsoever. MY interests are knowledge not arguments. I don't do well taking things on faith no matter who makes the product. Sorry about that. Can you pm me with info that further expands and clarify your posts such as with the wh10. BTW the wh15 " VCO bead " appears to be of a similar design to the WH10. I will not share it with the forum or anyone else.

Do that and you got your correction.

Mike, I had a relative that worked for nasa and he was FAR less tight lipped then you are and I was privy on some top secret info !

Just PM me some proof

[Michael B]

When someone says prove it, it is a challenging remark. I have no idea of the rules regarding sharing of images, spec sheets or anything else when working for Nasa however this company has rules and I follow them. It is what it is. PM'ing you info that I would not share on the forum is not going to happen as I cannot tell you anything privately that I cannot tell anyone in the public domain. Regarding the FCC ID numbers, when a non permissible change to a product is made, you are required to retest the product. The WH01 was 2002, the VCO was 2003, we build both types for several years and a change was made to the gunn diode product in 2007 requiring us to resubmit. A couple years later, we stopped using the gunn diode. We have the opportunity to use the same FCC ID as the unit prior to the change or pull a new number. We chose to pull a new number, No big secret, it is just policy. You remark indicating I called you a Whistler Hater is a flat out lie as it never happened and you and I both know it. If you were joking, then the joke is on you as I gave you the chance to amend this but instead you attached another challenge of proof before you will correct your false remark. I am sorry that someone in your past has caused you to lose faith in ones word however I was not that person. Given your unwillingness to correct something YOU know not to be true in the statement you claim I made unless I give you some form of proof for a statement I made and stand behind citing references, we have nothing further to discuss as it seems you would not believe me no matter what I have to offer. Where I grew up, we apologized for mistakes willingly and with no strings attached.

[Buckdarma]

When someone says prove it, it is a challenging remark. I have no idea of the rules regarding sharing of images, spec sheets or anything else when working for Nasa however this company has rules and I follow them. It is what it is. PM'ing you info that I would not share on the forum is not going to happen as I cannot tell you anything privately that I cannot tell anyone in the public domain. Regarding the FCC ID numbers, when a non permissible change to a product is made, you are required to retest the product. The WH01 was 2002, the VCO was 2003, we build both types for several years and a change was made to the gunn diode product in 2007 requiring us to resubmit. A couple years later, we stopped using the gunn diode. We have the opportunity to use the same FCC ID as the unit prior to the change or pull a new number. We chose to pull a new number, No big secret, it is just policy. You remark indicating I called you a Whistler Hater is a flat out lie as it never happened and you and I both know it. If you were joking, then the joke is on you as I gave you the chance to amend this but instead you attached another challenge of proof before you will correct your false remark. I am sorry that someone in your past has caused you to lose faith in ones word however I was not that person. Given your unwillingness to correct something YOU know not to be true in the statement you claim I made unless I give you some form of proof for a statement I made and stand behind citing references, we have nothing further to discuss as it seems you would not believe me no matter what I have to offer. Where I grew up, we apologized for mistakes willingly and with no strings attached.

Don't worry about it Mike Batten. The info is out there and in the public domain so in actuality don't need your support to get it whatsoever.

It's a good thing too isn't it ?

Frankly, it's like pulling teeth to get anything whatsoever in that regard. I do appreciate the further tiniest bit of policy info you furnished at the beginning of your post though.

I never said or indicated that you said I was a whistler hater. Not whatsoever.

Why would I in your own vernacular ?

This is a straw-man argument and attack < (see posting below for further clarification)

I just wanted you to know at the time that wasn't the reason why I was posting my critical opinions on the cheaper product line.

BTW, How do I know anything you say is the truth as you assume I do, if you refuse to give no further evidence or info of it whatsoever ?

You appear to believe I know far more then I do. I don't but your sure as heck are not willing to give me any detailed info to change that situation now are you !

All along I just wanted further info on the line It appears to be that I will have to find it our all for myself which is fine.

I enjoy research

I don't apologize for info I don't receive though and especially not after being called a liar which I am not.

frankly this verbal combativeness you display frequently is getting to me.

It's much easier and far quicker to look this all up on my own

and much more detailed in scope

[Buckdarma]

iI just want to clarify something further for both of us by looking at a particular post you brought up.

M/B

FYI gunn diode oscillators have been used by Whistler, Escort, Bel, Cobra, Uniden, and countless others as far back as approx. 1980 give or take a year.

B/D

FYI DUDE, LOL!

Of course they have been used that far back.

I own TWO of the very first gun diode whistlers ever made.

In fact, I believe I have owned nine or ten whistler models over the years

I have had more whistlers then any other detector in fact

So you sure as heck call me a whistler hater

You see your very combative nature in this post you made to me ? Like I don't know how long they have been around ?

That I do know ! In fact i know one particular radar gun company switched into these devices,all be it high powered versions for radar gun use, as soon as they appeared on the market in the late 60's or early seventies I believe.

I just wanted you to know that I am FAR from a whistler hater in case you did think this to yourself from my previous critical postings on the product.

maybe it's this part I accidentally appear to have left off ??

" So you sure as heck call me a whistler hater "

What I ment to say IS.... So you sure as heck CAN'T call me a whistler hater "

MY bad but you really should have asked me to clarify that remark right at the moment instead of internalizing it all inside till now.

BUT maybe that wouldn't have even mattered.

I bet dollars and donuts you would have assumed the very same thing even with that correction

[audia4b5]

iI just want to clarify something further for both of us by looking at a particular post you brought up.

M/B

FYI gunn diode oscillators have been used by Whistler, Escort, Bel, Cobra, Uniden, and countless others as far back as approx. 1980 give or take a year.

B/D

FYI DUDE, LOL!

Of course they have been used that far back.

I own TWO of the very first gun diode whistlers ever made.

In fact, I believe I have owned nine or ten whistler models over the years

I have had more whistlers then any other detector in fact

So you sure as heck call me a whistler hater

You see your very combative nature in this post you made to me ? Like I don't know how long they have been around ?

That I do know ! In fact i know one particular radar gun company switched into these devices,all be it high powered versions for radar gun use, as soon as they appeared on the market in the late 60's or early seventies I believe.

I just wanted you to know that I am FAR from a whistler hater in case you did think this to yourself from my previous critical postings on the product.

maybe it's this part I accidentally appear to have left off ??

" So you sure as heck call me a whistler hater "

What I ment to say IS.... So you sure as heck CAN'T call me a whistler hater "

MY bad but you really should have asked me to clarify that remark right at the moment instead of internalizing it all inside till now.

BUT maybe that wouldn't have even mattered.

I bet dollars and donuts you would have assumed the very same thing even with that correction

This is one of the most ridiculous threads on RDs I may have ever read, Mike B provided very good and clear information but I don't understand the hostility towards Mike B, he is doing his best to present information to the public and we are fortunate enough to have a representative like Mike B be such an active member in the Forum. It seems like you want some patent schematics or some type of schematic but I'm not even quite sure what you're getting at this point. Thank you Mike B for being informative.