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  1. 08-15-2009, 05:42 PM #1
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    Default Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Test date: August 15, 2009, 9am-3pm

    Location: The "MOAC" (Mother Of All Courses) we've used a couple of times before. About 1500', curved, with slight zigzags, and elevation changes.

    Guns: LTI UltraLyte LR-B, LTI TruSpeed, Kustom ProLaser III, Kustom ProLite, Stalker LZ-1, Laser Atlanta SpeedLaser R (not used in Stealth mode)

    Attendees: 8freerunner8, bradthemad, category4, lawdawg, rsatmans, steagall, twentyseventy, and "Nick" (whose username here I don't know). Featuring a brief guest appearance by an under-the-weather M6D.

    Shooter: rsatmans

    Results:

    category4, red C6 Corvette, LI quad (2 regular heads front, 2 HP heads rear):
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       JFG
UL LRB, front:      1347, 1150, 250
PL3, rear:          JFG 
PL3, front:         200
Stalker, rear:      JFG 
Stalker, front:     667, 481, 105
LA, rear:           JFG 
LA, front:          257
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
    Nick, silver BMW 3-series, Blinder M-35(?), 3 heads front:
    Code:
    UL LRB, front:      1014, 767, 527, 386 (HL), 215 (CM)
PL3, front:         346 (DHL) 
Stalker, front:     1225, 586 (HL), 369, 147 (CM)
LA, front:          487, 183 (DHL)
TruSpeed, front:    1075, 690, 535, 119 (all DHL)
TruSpeed, front:    1219, 833, 355, 224, 127 (all CM)
    bradthemad, black Mercedes-Benz SLK320, LI quad:
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       169
UL LRB, front       221
PL3, rear:          167
PL3, front:         88
Stalker, rear:      670 (TL), JFG (CM)
Stalker, front:     JTG (HL), JTG (CM)
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          not tested
TruSpeed, rear:     128, 347 (TL), JFG (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    192 (CM), 204 (HL)
ProLite, rear:      JFG 
ProLite, front:     JTG
    steagall, white Honda Accord, Blinder M-37 front, Blinder M-45 front/rear:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           316, 464, 607, 949, 1192, 1365, 1521
LA, front:          825, 435, 263 
ProLite, rear:      263, 792
ProLite, front:     342
PL3, rear:          654, 970, 1213, 1427
PL3, front:         915, 517, 332, 156
Stalker, rear:      375, 459, 507, 569, 728, 731
Stalker, front:     551, 468, 368, 275, 176
TruSpeed, rear:     189, 661, 1090, 1391, 1545
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
    8freerunner8, white 2006 BMW 325i, Blinder M-45 J17 front, Escort ZR3 3 heads rear:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           Is this thing on?
LA, front:          710, 491, 266
UL LRB, rear:       305, 498, 657, 1148, 1454
UL LRB, front:      865, 339, 136
(Timeout to make adjustments)
    category4, white Ford F-150, Blinder M-27 front:
    Code:
    LA, front:          183 (DHL), 699, 396, 195 (CM)
PL3, front:         158 (DHL), 604, 411, 211 (CM)
ProLite, front:     363 (DHL), JTG (CM)
UL LRB, front:      127 (DHL), JTG (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    210 (DHL), JTG (CM)
Stalker, front:     633, 498, 403, 327, 191 (DHL), 267, 183 (CM)
    twentyseventy, blue Toyota Camry, AL G8 (2 heads) front:
    Code:
    Stalker, front:     153 (DHL), 190 (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    1376, 1262, 983, 873, 704, 558, 320 (DHL)
UL LRB, front:      481, 281, 93 (PHL), 156 (CM)
ProLite, front:     301 (DHL), JTG (CM)
PL3, front:         79 (HL), 124 (CM)
LA, front:          JTG (DHL), JTG (CM)
    8freerunner8, white BMW 325i, after adjustments:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           Instant readings until about 500', 1060, 1348
LA, front:          1255 (possibly 125? Handwriting issue...)
PL3, rear:          133, 311, 1517 (TL)
PL3, front:         JTG
Stalker, rear:      158, 207, 315, 398, 507...
Stalker, front:     272, 183
TruSpeed, rear:     212
TruSpeed, front:    329
UL LRB, rear:       1214 and beyond
UL LRB, front:      555, 277, 93
ProLite, rear:      301, 151
ProLite, front:     399
    rsatmans, red Mercedes-Benz CLK500, LI quad:
    Code:
    ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          73
PL3, rear:          JFG
PL3, front:         61 (mirror)
UL LRB, rear:       JFG
UL LRB, front:      1186 (HL), 187 (mirror)
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    75
Stalker, rear:      JFG
Stalker, front:     74
    lawdawg, silver Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG, LI quad:
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       220, 359, 672, 1015, 1204 (TL)
UL LRB, front:      79 (HL)
(Made rear head adjustment)
UL LRB, rear:       JFG (TL)
UL LRB, front:      209 (mirror)
PL3, rear:          JFG
PL3, front:         JTG
ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
Stalker, rear:      257, 377, 519, 600, 695, 1163
Stalker, front:     511, 424, 322, 264, 149
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          134
(Swapped in a different LI CPU)
Stalker, rear:      184, 254, 325, 441, 558, 619
Stalker, front:     484, 267
    Pics to follow.
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  2. 08-15-2009, 05:52 PM #2
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    8freerunner8, BMW 325i, Blinder M-45 J17 front, Escort ZR3 3 heads rear:
    Attachment 1569
    Attachment 1570

    lawdawg, Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG, LI quad:
    Attachment 1571
    Attachment 1572

    Nick, silver BMW 3-series, Blinder M-35(?), 3 heads front:
    Attachment 1573

    steagall, white Honda Accord, Blinder M-37 front, Blinder M-45 front/rear:
    Attachment 1574
    Attachment 1575

    twentyseventy, blue Toyota Camry, AL G8 (2 heads) front:
    Attachment 1576

    The rest of our setups have already have numerous pictures on here, and I'm getting close to the limit on attachments I can upload/post.
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  3. 08-15-2009, 06:10 PM #3
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Dude, Thanks man!!! It appears the m27/37/47 didn't do that good of a job... Disappointing Is that to say that all the hype surrounding the new Blinders is not worth it?
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  4. 08-15-2009, 08:14 PM #4
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by RosL View Post
    Dude, Thanks man!!! It appears the m27/37/47 didn't do that good of a job... Disappointing Is that to say that all the hype surrounding the new Blinders is not worth it?
    Remember, their course is ridiculously hard. So hard in fact, that it's hard to even extrapolate their results to the real world. Let's see what the guys have to say when they chime in with their thoughts.
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  5. 08-15-2009, 08:27 PM #5
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Hmmmm....working on getting my M37 installed this weekend if possible (weather keeps messy things up). Very interested to see the thoughts from the crew on the Blinder. I was hoping for better number.

    Looks like this course even gave the LI issues in many instances, but some of these front shot PT were from quite a distance out.
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  6. 08-15-2009, 08:32 PM #6
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by bradthemad View Post
    Test date: August 15, 2009, 9am-3pm

    Location: The "MOAC" (Mother Of All Courses) we've used a couple of times before. About 1500', curved, with slight zigzags, and elevation changes.

    Guns: LTI UltraLyte LR-B, LTI TruSpeed, Kustom ProLaser III, Kustom ProLite, Stalker LZ-1, Laser Atlanta SpeedLaser R (not used in Stealth mode)

    Attendees: 8freerunner8, bradthemad, category4, lawdawg, rsatmans, steagall, twentyseventy, and "Nick" (whose username here I don't know). Featuring a brief guest appearance by an under-the-weather M6D.

    Shooter: rsatmans

    Results:

    category4, red C6 Corvette, LI quad (2 regular heads front, 2 HP heads rear):
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       JFG
UL LRB, front:      1347, 1150, 250
PL3, rear:          JFG 
PL3, front:         200
Stalker, rear:      JFG 
Stalker, front:     667, 481, 105
LA, rear:           JFG 
LA, front:          257
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
    Nick, silver BMW 3-series, Blinder M-35(?), 3 heads front:
    Code:
    UL LRB, front:      1014, 767, 527, 386 (HL), 215 (CM)
PL3, front:         346 (DHL) 
Stalker, front:     1225, 586 (HL), 369, 147 (CM)
LA, front:          487, 183 (DHL)
TruSpeed, front:    1075, 690, 535, 119 (all DHL)
TruSpeed, front:    1219, 833, 355, 224, 127 (all CM)
    bradthemad, black Mercedes-Benz SLK320, LI quad:
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       169
UL LRB, front       221
PL3, rear:          167
PL3, front:         88
Stalker, rear:      670 (TL), JFG (CM)
Stalker, front:     JTG (HL), JTG (CM)
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          not tested
TruSpeed, rear:     128, 347 (TL), JFG (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    192 (CM), 204 (HL)
ProLite, rear:      JFG 
ProLite, front:     JTG
    steagall, white Honda Accord, Blinder M-37 front, Blinder M-45 front/rear:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           316, 464, 607, 949, 1192, 1365, 1521
LA, front:          825, 435, 263 
ProLite, rear:      263, 792
ProLite, front:     342
PL3, rear:          654, 970, 1213, 1427
PL3, front:         915, 517, 332, 156
Stalker, rear:      375, 459, 507, 569, 728, 731
Stalker, front:     551, 468, 368, 275, 176
TruSpeed, rear:     189, 661, 1090, 1391, 1545
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
    8freerunner8, white 2006 BMW 325i, Blinder M-45 J17 front, Escort ZR3 3 heads rear:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           Is this thing on?
LA, front:          710, 491, 266
UL LRB, rear:       305, 498, 657, 1148, 1454
UL LRB, front:      865, 339, 136
(Timeout to make adjustments)
    category4, white Ford F-150, Blinder M-27 front:
    Code:
    LA, front:          183 (DHL), 699, 396, 195 (CM)
PL3, front:         158 (DHL), 604, 411, 211 (CM)
ProLite, front:     363 (DHL), JTG (CM)
UL LRB, front:      127 (DHL), JTG (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    210 (DHL), JTG (CM)
Stalker, front:     633, 498, 403, 327, 191 (DHL), 267, 183 (CM)
    twentyseventy, blue Toyota Camry, AL G8 (2 heads) front:
    Code:
    Stalker, front:     153 (DHL), 190 (CM)
TruSpeed, front:    1376, 1262, 983, 873, 704, 558, 320 (DHL)
UL LRB, front:      481, 281, 93 (PHL), 156 (CM)
ProLite, front:     301 (DHL), JTG (CM)
PL3, front:         79 (HL), 124 (CM)
LA, front:          JTG (DHL), JTG (CM)
    8freerunner8, white BMW 325i, after adjustments:
    Code:
    LA, rear:           Instant readings until about 500', 1060, 1348
LA, front:          1255 (possibly 125? Handwriting issue...)
PL3, rear:          133, 311, 1517 (TL)
PL3, front:         JTG
Stalker, rear:      158, 207, 315, 398, 507...
Stalker, front:     272, 183
TruSpeed, rear:     212
TruSpeed, front:    329
UL LRB, rear:       1214 and beyond
UL LRB, front:      555, 277, 93
ProLite, rear:      301, 151
ProLite, front:     399
    rsatmans, red Mercedes-Benz CLK500, LI quad:
    Code:
    ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          73
PL3, rear:          JFG
PL3, front:         61 (mirror)
UL LRB, rear:       JFG
UL LRB, front:      1186 (HL), 187 (mirror)
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    75
Stalker, rear:      JFG
Stalker, front:     74
    lawdawg, silver Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG, LI quad:
    Code:
    UL LRB, rear:       220, 359, 672, 1015, 1204 (TL)
UL LRB, front:      79 (HL)
(Made rear head adjustment)
UL LRB, rear:       JFG (TL)
UL LRB, front:      209 (mirror)
PL3, rear:          JFG
PL3, front:         JTG
ProLite, rear:      JFG
ProLite, front:     JTG
Stalker, rear:      257, 377, 519, 600, 695, 1163
Stalker, front:     511, 424, 322, 264, 149
TruSpeed, rear:     JFG
TruSpeed, front:    JTG
LA, rear:           JFG
LA, front:          134
(Swapped in a different LI CPU)
Stalker, rear:      184, 254, 325, 441, 558, 619
Stalker, front:     484, 267
    Pics to follow.
    Was Steagull running all five heads up front at the same time or just the three new Blinders on the bottom? I have the same car in Silver and I am very curious about these results!
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  7. 08-15-2009, 08:33 PM #7
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Do any of the cars in the test have Veil on them.
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  8. 08-15-2009, 08:54 PM #8
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Lets see if I can answer a few questions since I was the shooter.

    Veil applications that I remember: Ford F150, BMW 3 series, Corvette rear only, SLK320 only on side view mirror turn indicator.

    Yep, Steagall had only his m37 on during the testing on the front.

    There is officially a new champion. That honor goes to Category4 with his rear setup LI HP which did not illicit a single PT. I have a feeling his front will follow suit.

    Ok... so I guess everyone wants to know about the the new Blinder. Well I would first like to point that we are not GOL (Whom I have the highest respect for) and subsequently do not test like them. We selected a very hard course and offer no controlled comparison testing. We are a setup testing group first.... we get together to figure out our weak points and try to correct them and test again. That being said the results are what they are.

    The M27 equipped Ford F150 has veil on the headlights, black mirrors, black grill, and black bumper. Look at the results and draw your own conclusion... also look at past tests where we had a m45 on the front. On his particular truck do I think the new system is better? Yes I do I feel that if he adds one more head he will be golden.

    Now how do I explain Steagalls M37 results? In all fairness he had wrap around headlights but with that said the performance was not that good or impressive... Time will tell what the cause was...

    I have limited internet access so I will try and come back with more later.
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  9. 08-15-2009, 08:55 PM #9
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by jmccam View Post
    Hmmmm....working on getting my M37 installed this weekend if possible (weather keeps messy things up). Very interested to see the thoughts from the crew on the Blinder. I was hoping for better number.

    Looks like this course even gave the LI issues in many instances, but some of these front shot PT were from quite a distance out.
    I can assure this course does not show the common practice or set-up of a LEO shooting Laser from a trap...This course is very hard because at many points the heads are not pointing at the Lase shooter from what I have been told ....I guarantee that I have done 100's of test on the new Blinder under normal shooting practices that people say they encounter such as: Around a curve ambush shot, overpass shots and slightly elevated shots on the side of a road from a angle. The Blinder M27 and M47 always did well. I was told Cat4 tested his F-150 with M27 on a normal test scenario and it was JTG on all areas with the PL3 but look at results from this course...IMOP this is not the typical test results people will get with the testing scenarios that other groups use.

    CAT4 F-150 shots:

    category4, white Ford F-150, Blinder M-27 front:

    Code:
    LA, front: 183 (DHL), 699, 396, 195 (CM)
    PL3, front: 158 (DHL), 604, 411, 211 (CM)
    ProLite, front: 363 (DHL), JTG (CM)
    UL LRB, front: 127 (DHL), JTG (CM)
    TruSpeed, front: 210 (DHL), JTG (CM)
    Stalker, front: 633, 498, 403, 327, 191 (DHL), 267, 183 (CM
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  10. 08-15-2009, 09:05 PM #10
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    Default Re: Georgia Jammerfest, August 2009

    thanks for your time guys! We appreciate the fact that you shared your results with us
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