Redline vs. V1 vs. DSR 2X vs. Reaction Time

[TSi+WRX]

^ It *should* be something "that easy" - I agree....just look at Cbr/ELVATO's data, with the STi-R. Even if we discounted all other previous mentions of the STi-R's capabilities with Q/T, that alone again opens everyone's eyes.

What I'm frustrated with, by Escort, was how they approached this entire concern - like I said, if they outright declared that "hey, you guys, we don't give a crap about Q/T, as it won't allow our detectors to filter as aggressively as we want them to be," then I would just have said "OK - but would you please consider allowing the end-user to switch to a mode that enabled such detection, like the STi-R," instead of having put up all this resistance.

Instead, they chose to give us those two nonsensical and illogical excuses.




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RE: Nine_c1's Q/T quantification -

I read this over on the Escort forum, but No video proof?

The individual who made the post about the trigger times and went through all of the trouble to do it, is and has been a long time well respected and knowledgabe person. There is absolutely no reason to lie or make anything up on his part, nor to have discrediting taking place for one reason or another.

He even stated that the REDLINE is still a little weaker on Q/T than a V1. There was no hiding it or attempt to hide it.

It was stated: "The way the V1 operates, it will not miss a QT shot in the K-Band or 33.8 Ka with POP on due to a niffty sweep pattern called interleaved sweep. Turn POP off and you can slip QTs in under the V1 on these bands. Likewise, the V1 is not perfect on the non-POP bands (34.7, 35.5 and 10.5) in either mode. That said, reaction times on the V1 are generally superior to that of current Bel/Escort products."

It was also stated somewhere that EVEN THE V1 starts MISSING CONSIDERABLY when the trigger time is .4 seconds and less.

So, if the Redline is picking up 100% from .6 to 1 second...the V1 is capturing the test between .4 and .6 seconds and at times below .4 when it doesn't miss itself.

As I stated, I can't do these tests since I don't have radar guns and can't video, but it's something ANY and ALL of us could do and would LOVE to do if we could.
Whoever wants to take the next stab at HIS METHOD...GO AT IT.

We'd ALL love to see more.

dslrip, like I've said to others who've held your own posts in question, I'll say to you, now, brother.

At some point, you've just gotta either trust other hobbyists and enthusiast - or you decide you can't.

If it's the latter, then you've gotta start wondering about why you'd still want to be in the community, period. <---- I'm not saying this to be mean spirited, please don't take it that way. It's just how I see it.

At some point, you've just gotta trust others at their words, and truly and honestly, I see no reason, for me, to doubt Nine_c1. As with my interactions with you, I also haven't known him for long, but I've read his posts and know them to be logical and well-thought, and I truly don't think that he has anything to gain by purposefully "siding" with Escort.

Remember, he just as honestly reported his unit's "glitch" when he experienced it - and furthermore, also expressed his discontent and confusion with the entire "Software Fix" debacle.

I see him as one of us - a fellow hobbyist/enthusiast. And from what I've seen, I have no reason to doubt his words. To me, they are as good as authenticated video evidence.

[djrams80]

I agree, but its not an excuse. We need to provide a temporary solution till Belscort figures this out.

The only viable temporary solution is a V1.

So far I count 3 states out of 50 that widely use QT, do we have a confirmed list of ones that widely use it?

You seem to think that Q/T is some kind of crazy operating mode on a radar unit and that the LEO has make a conscientious decision to operate the radar unit in this manner. It's just quick I/O. It's nothing special. When operating a handheld unit, LEOs probably Q/T all the time and never even realize they are doing it. They press the trigger and when they see the speed displayed, they release the trigger. Nothing weird about that at all. It's probably used in all 50 states, by some LEO(s) somewhere, that might not even know they are using it, or doing anything improper at all.

[Divewjason]

Don't jump on DJ's band wagon just because its easy. I know you get it and so does DJ. No one was saying its NOT an issue, its more of how much of an issue is it for the individual according to there area and driving. Seems like you guys are forgetting not everyone can buy a V1 and 9500ci combo after they already broke the bank with there $2-300 Belscort RD.
So far it appears about ~3 states out of the 50 have QT as a wide spread problem. The undeniable proof for these ~3 states needs to be taken seriously, but the other 47 states need to evaluate there risk and the likely hood of QT being used.
There is allot bigger threats people need to worry about over QT, i would say (other than the ~3 states) QT is at the bottom of the list.

Its real simple and not an excuse, just a logical assumption and observation from my experience as well as an attempt to find a temporary solution.
I'm simply stating the QT issue is a real one and should be addressed, but to assume every Belscort user is going to get a ticket from it because its a wide spread threat is just wrong. Just like it would be wrong for me to assume its not used anywhere because i don't see it around me.

You and DJ may not of intended to sound like QT is used everywhere but obviously its being taken that way because its brought up in such a strong way. To state to me that i don't know what my locals are using is just stupid to say, especially someone with my experience. So that implies that you both feel QT is used everywhere if you cant respect an educated observation by an experienced member.

As for the DSR X2, its may favorite unit, very impressive and has allot of good tools for the LEO to use. The officers i polled had a similar opinion of it because of its verbal alerts and directional features. Its very strong in C/O and I/O.
As for the LEO's using such a great unit. Most LEO's and people in general will Text, search the net, read make phone calls, eat if they could while sitting in a car for hours. I know allot of the LEO's i polled preferred using it in moving mode or just let it do its thing while they did paperwork. The biggest plus is it the most popular and one of the easiest to pick up signals from.

Let me allso share some information about CT LEO's. Its very rare to see them out to catch speeders. They tend to be posted at construction sights for safty. They certanley dont seem to be out to get you unless your blatentley breaking the law. Now when they are out catching speeders I rarley pass them without some alert, its almost allways C/O and on ocation I/O.

Got another good one. Carmel NY uses K band almost exclusivley and they allways run there units in C/O and while moving. I havent once passed a LEO in that larg town that wasint running radar. Too bad evrywhere is not like this.

Though I haven't encountered an obvious High Risk QT area, that would certainly freak me and anyone else. It would be like all those new guys that complain why there RD isn't a cop detector and doesn't alert when they pass a LEO. Luckily for us the LEO's have 4 other ways they can do it and its not used everywhere.

None of this should excuse Belscort from making RDs that are capable of detecting Q/T. Every radar unit on the market is Q/T capable. I/O is used almost everywhere. The only difference between I/O and Q/T is the duration of the shot. Anywhere I/O is used, you're only a slightly quicker trigger finger away from encountering Q/T.

Stop making excuses for Escort. This problem needs to be fixed.

Both of you actually agree. It may look like he's making an excuse, but he isn't, what he is really trying to defend is that he knows what leos are using in his area, he isn't trying to justify Belscort's lack of QT abilities. Saying that it isn't a wide spread threat isn't necessarily making an excuse. He is just stating that we have confirmation in only several states and that some belscort users will not get tickets from QT just because it isn't used in their area. He agrees with you that they need to implement QT, he is just saying that QT isn't a threat everywhere. He wants his detector improved as much as the next guy.

Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX.

[djrams80]

Both of you actually agree. It may look like he's making an excuse, but he isn't, what he is really trying to defend is that he knows what leos are using in his area, he isn't trying to justify Belscort's lack of QT abilities. Saying that it isn't a wide spread threat isn't necessarily making an excuse. He is just stating that we have confirmation in only several states and that some belscort users will not get tickets from QT just because it isn't used in their area. He agrees with you that they need to implement QT, he is just saying that QT isn't a threat everywhere. He wants his detector improved as much as the next guy.

Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX.

CJR238's statements sound a lot like the official Escort statements on this, which are basically that's it's not used very much and that it is not an acceptable means of operating radar. Downplaying the threat will not make it go away. CJR238 keeps using this "only 3 states out of 50" stat, which means we are to assume that anywhere it has not yet been officially verified to be in use, that it is not in use. I couldn't possibly disagree more with that take.

[Monte1]

Divewjason states:
Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX. [/quote]

There probably is something to agree with TSi+WRX. Could you indicate what book...chapter...page...paragraph...and sentence you're referring to in this thread.

[dslrip32]

Both of you actually agree. It may look like he's making an excuse, but he isn't, what he is really trying to defend is that he knows what leos are using in his area, he isn't trying to justify Belscort's lack of QT abilities. Saying that it isn't a wide spread threat isn't necessarily making an excuse. He is just stating that we have confirmation in only several states and that some belscort users will not get tickets from QT just because it isn't used in their area. He agrees with you that they need to implement QT, he is just saying that QT isn't a threat everywhere. He wants his detector improved as much as the next guy.

Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX.

CJR238's statements sound a lot like the official Escort statements on this, which are basically that's it's not used very much and that it is not an acceptable means of operating radar. Downplaying the threat will not make it go away. CJR238 keeps using this "only 3 states out of 50" stat, which means we are to assume that anywhere it has not yet been officially verified to be in use, that it is not in use. I couldn't possibly disagree more with that take.

I think the reason for this is because he is a "Moderator" on that site, and it only seems to be appropriate to use their logic as far as this issue of Q/T.

[Monte1]

I have to go out for the night, but everybody can check out this old sticky and come to your own conclusions for the Q/T issue. I didn't really have time to study it at all.

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...-8-6-09-a.html

[Divewjason]

Divewjason states:
Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX.

There probably is something to agree with TSi+WRX. Could you indicate what book...chapter...page...paragraph...and sentence you're referring to in this thread.[/quote]The real thing I'm upset about is Escort's denial of the problem. As far as the excerpts go, I'm not looking through all of that again.

[Divewjason]

Both of you actually agree. It may look like he's making an excuse, but he isn't, what he is really trying to defend is that he knows what leos are using in his area, he isn't trying to justify Belscort's lack of QT abilities. Saying that it isn't a wide spread threat isn't necessarily making an excuse. He is just stating that we have confirmation in only several states and that some belscort users will not get tickets from QT just because it isn't used in their area. He agrees with you that they need to implement QT, he is just saying that QT isn't a threat everywhere. He wants his detector improved as much as the next guy.

Edit:I'm not saying he's completely right, I actually agree with TSI+WRX.

CJR238's statements sound a lot like the official Escort statements on this, which are basically that's it's not used very much and that it is not an acceptable means of operating radar. Downplaying the threat will not make it go away. CJR238 keeps using this "only 3 states out of 50" stat, which means we are to assume that anywhere it has not yet been officially verified to be in use, that it is not in use. I couldn't possibly disagree more with that take.

I'm just saying that you both agree that they need to improve QT detection. Though that is an understatement.

[djrams80]

I think the reason for this is because he is a "Moderator" on that site, and it only seems to be appropriate to use their logic as far as this issue of Q/T.

CJR238 has more ties to Escort than just being a moderator on their website.