KU band alert

[The Breeze]

Why do you think they use pop in Oregon?

Radar Detector Testing
POP Radar
MPH has developed POP mode for use in their police radar guns three years ago.

MPH claims the POP mode is so fast its transmissions cannot be detected by radar detectors. However, POP mode may not be used in issuing citations, as the speed cannot be locked and no droppler tone is generated, a requirement for establishing a "vehicle tracking history".

Only the states of Oregon, Nevada and Iowa have state contracts for POP radar guns.

This is from: Radar Detector Testing 2008

So when you come up, better turn it on

[djrams80]

Radar Detector Testing
POP Radar
MPH has developed POP mode for use in their police radar guns three years ago.

MPH claims the POP mode is so fast its transmissions cannot be detected by radar detectors. However, POP mode may not be used in issuing citations, as the speed cannot be locked and no droppler tone is generated, a requirement for establishing a "vehicle tracking history".

Only the states of Oregon, Nevada and Iowa have state contracts for POP radar guns.

This is from: Radar Detector Testing 2008

So when you come up, better turn it on

Just because they have pop-capable radar guns does not necessarily mean that they are using the pop feature. MPH's manual specifically advises against using pop to write citations. I highly doubt they are using pop.

For instance, Nevada Staties use pop-capable radar systems, but they run them in normal radar mode. The radar detected in this video is from a pop-capable radar system. I was still well on the Cali side of the state border when I first detected them.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u7GqTyvoMI"]YouTube - Nevada Highway Patrol Running 33.8 Ka[/ame]

[proudNMAmember]

That's some deadly 33.8 djrams.

[jdong]

Just because they have pop-capable radar guns does not necessarily mean that they are using the pop feature. MPH's manual specifically advises against using pop to write citations. I highly doubt they are using pop.

For instance, Nevada Staties use pop-capable radar systems, but they run them in normal radar mode. The radar detected in this video is from a pop-capable radar system. I was still well on the Cali side of the state border when I first detected them.

Well at the same time, I don't think any of us can say for sure that they aren't using POP with POP-capable radar guns. Sure you can't use POP to write tickets but you can use POP as an undetectable replacement for instant-on speed estimation.

[jimbonzzz]

In the very unlikely event that Ku band ever comes to North America, we will know long before the equipment ever hits the streets. Any Ku alerts on a detector are not from police speed measurement equipment.

Since it isn't a threat, turn Ku off on your detector to prevent false alerts and to optimize detection on other bands.

[KnightHawk]

Well at the same time, I don't think any of us can say for sure that they aren't using POP with POP-capable radar guns. Sure you can't use POP to write tickets but you can use POP as an undetectable replacement for instant-on speed estimation.

Very true. It is only used for speed estimate with the advantage of stealth - non-detectable by almost all if not all radar detectors with 16ms burst. Manual only tells the operator not to use it as a basis for citation but still can be used. If I were LEO and have the feature, why won't I use it? I have a Z35 and is very useful when doing speed checks without alerting a radar detector.

[jdong]

Very true. It is only used for speed estimate with the advantage of stealth - non-detectable by almost all if not all radar detectors with 16ms burst. Manual only tells the operator not to use it as a basis for citation but still can be used. If I were LEO and have the feature, why won't I use it? I have a Z35 and is very useful when doing speed checks without alerting a radar detector.

Glad to hear someone else feels the same way. Considering on the Z-series switching from a POP reading to a real IO reading is a matter of holding down the trigger for just a bit longer, I don't see any hassle in using the gun in POP mode than regular IO mode.

I've seen cops in my area use tactics specifically to target RD users, like shooting radar from a CVS parking lot that has a door opener facing directly into the flow of traffic, or shooting Ka-band under a Ka-band speed sign. It's hard to believe that when they are given a feature that is extremely effective at combating radar detectors, and even marketed as such as a primary feature, that there wouldn't be cops that use this feature.

And really we'd have no way of knowing short of a video of a cop popping traffic. We can't detect the 16ms stuff at all as of the last GOL and SML tests, and we ignore the 67ms stuff that we can detect -- hell we aren't even all that good at separating the 67ms stuff from radar detector noise.

[The Breeze]

Well at the same time, I don't think any of us can say for sure that they aren't using POP with POP-capable radar guns. Sure you can't use POP to write tickets but you can use POP as an undetectable replacement for instant-on speed estimation.

Let us not forget who we are dealing with...COPS!!! The normal bloat will not know the difference what the cop used to give them a ticket, all they will know is that they got one, and usually mail in the money. If it means generateing revenue, cops will do anything they think that they can get away with, especially here in Oregon! I have lived here all my life, and have seen some real Shenanigans.

[alpinestars_2002795]

KU is in the USA... It is being and has been being tested by Kustom Signals out of shanutee for 4 years now. They just haven't decided to take it forward 100percent and put it in the united states market yet.. There are such things as KU speed signs in the USA, although thus far they have only been spoted in the vacinties around the Shanute kansas area, because they are in a prototype testing phase with kustom sigs. Although they never have, and according to engineers there, "Most likely will not be put in full production." This is why Roy tells us that having KU on is pointless and only stands to gain us false alarms "Right now." Although this could change I "Doubt" it will. As they are loving up their Ka band so hard right now, even though KU is deadlier than Ka band in all relevance, and in raw detection most belscorts that Claim to be able to detect KU can only actually in a real world test pick it up at 200ft. I would know this because nma has a KU band Ossilator. .

As far as KU being here, it is. It's just not in production nor, actual legitment use. It is in somewhat of a test phase in and around shanute Kansas. They are using it in some trailer signs around the vacinity of their complex "At times." To in essence use their data software and computer 232 connectors to see "How" much it would perhaps gain them in the real world. This is the height of KU in the USA currently as I did state above could this change and could it advance in the future you bet, the ability is there, and they do have it in their possession. Although it is highly doubted that they will actually commence with such a project considering what they already have at their disposal. Although I guess one could then question then why else would they spend so many dollars, to test such an item. Well, maybe they might intend to put it into production, that much i do not know. Although I do know that these things have been confirmed by reputable members of this board.

In conclusion it does exist here. Although not in any quantity, and it is not available to officers, nor is it IACP or NASHTA approved.

Although the gentlemen is probably correct above, it is more likely that you received a KU false these are quite common and can happen from anything from a leaky detector, to yes a sattelite dish and even some two way radios like talkabouts etc can cause a KU band false if close when transmitting and KU is on. Sattelite dishes do use KU, and C band LMB's. Especially Dish Network. This is far more likely than an actual encounter with an officer. This will not happen untill it is put into full or prototype production. Most likely if it's in prototype production you will not receive a citation anyhow, if you do you could easily fight it and win is why, because it's not IACP approved or NASHTA accepted for home office use. Although you could potentially run into one of these transmitters from a sattillite dish, or a testing unit right outside the kustom signals complex/plant. Although that is also highly unlikely it is possible as I personally know that it is being tested by Kustom Signals USA.

AlPiNe~

[alpinestars_2002795]

X2 to the breeze and what he said above he is unfortunatly correct most people do not know the difference and are not educated as we are on this board. Which in and of itself is unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that police men are this dishonest, and immoral. Although, we all know that unfortunatly the breeze has a point here. They aren't about to care what you think, nor say. I've actually even witnessed a Leo give a citizen a illeligiment pop radar ticket and even used to have it on film from way back when I lived in Escanaba in the U.P.

As far as the fact that they aren't supposed to do this they don't care. Which is honestly very unfortunate that they are this dishonest as I stated above and immoral.

The most upsetting part is that how many illegitment and unethical citations like that have been written? Unforunatly we may never even know?

Although this is not our problem that other's do not choose to educate themselves. This is their problem and misfortune. These are the same people remember that tell you when you attempt to help them that they don't need all that rubbish and that they "Don't speed." Which I can't begin to tell you how tired I am of being told by especially old close minded people that I know for a fact very much so do violate the law and do speed.

The fact of the matter is I stand with Mike valentine on this very subject. I beleive that MPH industries are the ones that should personally be held accountable for these actions, as they are the ones retailing a device to the Law enforcement community, that they know is not ethical and will induce immoral and unethical behavior, and practices. I can't agree with Mike Valentine more when he says, "Why are they even allowed to offer them such an option, when the even state in their user manual that it is not court accepted and should only be used for a mere estimate at best." I personally think Mike Valentine nailed his comments about MPH industries, and their unmoral practices 100 percent I wish and suggest if you haven't read his blog on this on his homepage that you do today. As he made some very valid points in this matter.


AlPiNe~