Whats the deal with the new M25/M45 ?????

**ithacam5** · 10-08-2007, 08:49 AM

About six weeks ago I purchased a Blinder M25. This was before I found
this forum. I found this site by looking for install advice. I also
was interested to see what others had to say about the M25.

I keep reading this forum trying to find any definitive information about
the new M25. Some claim it works great, others say it's flaky and to stay
away. I believe my install is good but I really have no way of testing
it. I can see the heads firing on my cell cam. The system self tests fine
and I can trigger it with the remote, but I have no way of telling if this
thing will work for real (when it counts) on the road.

I emailed the "Guys of Lidar" a week or so ago and they told me that
they have not tested the new M25. I keep looking on this site and can't
seem to find anyone that has done a proper install ( proper alignment
and distance between heads, verified good electronics, all head firing
etc. etc. ) and has tested the unit against a few typical lidar guns.

Why would a company like Blinder who's M20 and M40 products, that
have been reviewed and provide good performance, produce
a new unit that is supposed to compete with the likes of the LPP and LI
but has worse performance than their previous models ? I suppose
it is possible, but it seems like it would spell doom for the company
itself.

I'm not looking for a comparison between Blinder and LPP etc. I
understand that one technology may work better than the other but
it seems that there is an theme running through some of these posts
that the M25 doesn't work at all, or so poorly that it isn't worth
considering. Hence, my search for some test data with a few guns
and a verified setup.

Perhaps I'll have to rent a gun and test myself, but I have no idea
where to get one of these... ( LTI , ProLaser 3 etc. )

**thestaton** · 10-08-2007, 09:26 AM

The link in my signature shows real world testing of the M45 against the Pro Laser 3, & Laser Atlanta.

The hands on time I've had with the M45 goes hand in hand with the results in the video.

RacerX a has spent some time testing the M25 & M45 and the results are not good. Actually they are much worse than the M40.

His videos can be found here:
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...414&highlight=

Both of these videos are not advertisements or paid for videos by Blinder. So anything you see that Outrun has done was bought & paid for by Blinder to sell the product. These should not be viewed as real world situations, one idea that has been thrown around is that he's using an M40 and proclaiming it to be the M45.

My theory is that the guy in charge of developing Blinder (Torbin) has lost his way. Being he has held the patent in the US for so long I believe he has rested on his laurels and thought the patent would protect his company. However as you can see from a consumer stand point we don’t care about patents. That's for companies to decide amongst themselves not us. We want the best without breaking the bank.

So now that LPP & LI have North America based resellers I'm sure Torbin felt the pressure. From what it looks like he just decided to over-drive the LEDS by increasing the voltage, and call it an M45 and charge the consumer more money. From what it looks like the product never went through any beta testing.

One member on the forum has already gotten a ticket with the M45.

This is a dirty industry, and so far the only manufacturer that has been consistent and fair to the consumer is Valentine Research. They are honest, listen to this forum, and make the product better.

Not to take anything away from Belscort I believe they produce excellent detectors, but there customer support is severly lacking.

Hopefully you don’t get a ticket but there is no way I would drive without the constant thought in the back of my head, am I going to get at ticket? So in closing sorry you wasted your money on a product that was never beta tested. But hey at least it’s got a patent... :roll:

**ithacam5** · 10-08-2007, 11:01 AM

For the benefit of anyone that would like to comment on my install.
Here are a few shots. The two M25 heads are spaced a little over
50cm apart. Blinder recommends between 50 and 60 cm. The distance
from the head to the outside edge of the headlight is 18"

Here are shots of the head mountings.

**crazyVOLVOrob** · 10-08-2007, 11:05 AM

So are you in Ithaca? I might be able to aquire a gun to test your system since i am in that area anyway for school.

Ithaca PD uses a Prolaser 3 so hopefully you don't get and instant punch throughs

**happya$$** · 10-08-2007, 11:20 AM

AWESOME install BUT those fog lights, head lights, and plate will kill you. At the MINIMUM you need 4 heads of an LED based jammer

**ithacam5** · 10-08-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by happya$$

AWESOME install BUT those fog lights, head lights, and plate will kill you

That's funny..

Maybe I'll get a can of flat black paint and cover the fogs, head lamps
and plate :wink:

**happya$$** · 10-08-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by ithacam5

Originally Posted by happya$$

AWESOME install BUT those fog lights, head lights, and plate will kill you

That's funny..

Maybe I'll get a can of flat black paint and cover the fogs, head lamps
and plate :wink:

YOu definitely need 4 heads and even with 4 heads those headlights would be an easy target

**ithacam5** · 10-08-2007, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

So are you in Ithaca? I might be able to aquire a gun to test your system since i am in that area anyway for school.

Ithaca PD uses a Prolaser 3 so hopefully you don't get and instant punch throughs

PM Sent

**methos** · 10-12-2007, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by thestaton

RacerX a has spent some time testing the M25 & M45 and the results are not good. Actually they are much worse than the M40.

Unless RacerX has tested the M40 side-by-side under the same conditions as the newer versions, any extrapolation as to how the jammers compare would be invalid. If I'm experienced at using a laser gun on a tripod, I could get instant punch-throughs on any jammer you care to name.

**happya$$** · 10-12-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by methos

Originally Posted by thestaton

RacerX a has spent some time testing the M25 & M45 and the results are not good. Actually they are much worse than the M40.

Unless RacerX has tested the M40 side-by-side under the same conditions as the newer versions, any extrapolation as to how the jammers compare would be invalid. If I'm experienced at using a laser gun on a tripod, I could get instant punch-throughs on any jammer you care to name.

He did