Shifting before a turn.

[Obsidian]

If the pedals make it difficult, you don't need to heel-toe to rev match. You can blip the throttle, clutch and shift without heel-toe, just be quick about it. Or you can buy a 370Z with sport package and it will rev match for you

[Freebird]

If the pedals make it difficult, you don't need to heel-toe to rev match. You can blip the throttle, clutch and shift without heel-toe, just be quick about it. Or you can buy a 370Z with sport package and it will rev match for you

True, I use this method. I brake, clutch,blip,shift, and turn in to apex, then throttle out from the apex. Takes some practice to get it right but after years of doing it this way it is second nature.

[AirMoore]

AirMoore- I took a motorcycle course and I have a license, They never taught proper shifting on corners in slippery conditions. The class was a joke.

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There are different kinds... I guess should have specified something more a long the lines of an ART motorcycle class where they teach you this at nausea.


Essentially as Obisidian says: All shifting and braking should be done before a corner... leaving 100% of the traction via the contact patch left to: (no shock here) - turn. If you try downshifting, braking etc (anything besides keeping a steady throttle)... you are going to use less than 100% of your traction allotted for the turn to brake. If you have the ability to brake mid-corner and not cause the tires to come unlocked from the pavement, you would have made it via just turning anyways.


-ART classes will teach you this sort of thing at length.

It is important to note that certain things like trail-braking (motorcycles), e-braking... especially well under throttle (cars)> drifting/rallying can come into play, but in general... when turning give 100% of your contact patch dedicated to turning. If you can brake or downshift mid-corner, it is likely that you never would have had an accident/issue anyways.

[ivirovets]

That makes a lot of sense. Clear explanation, thanks.

[category4]

Left paddle down-shift, right paddle up-shift,left foot brake, right foot accelerator, problem solved.

[NormSky]

Don't try braking and accelerating in the middle of a turn. Most cars today after Toyota have throttle shut offs and could send you in a loop.

When someone says throttle mid-turn, think throttle maintence.

[AirMoore]

Left paddle down-shift, right paddle up-shift,left foot brake, right foot accelerator, problem solved.

(Manual) Clutches+sticks beat paddles for control every-time though, paddles have the speed and precision which cannot be afforded with (manual) clutches. Its a trade off IMHO, and neither solves the problem.

For example I live where we actually get harsh winter weather (Ice covered by a foot of snow, with freezing rain on-top of that) and all my friends with paddle-shifters wish they had a pedal-clutch and stick... but on the track in beautiful weather... they love it.

[KaPro]

You should finish your braking and shifting before the turn, control your car with the throttle and accelerate after the apex ... that's the fastest way through the turn. Downshifting or braking in a turn is a good way to spin.

Exactly.

[category4]

Left paddle down-shift, right paddle up-shift,left foot brake, right foot accelerator, problem solved.

(Manual) Clutches+sticks beat paddles for control every-time though, paddles have the speed and precision which cannot be afforded with (manual) clutches. Its a trade off IMHO, and neither solves the problem.

For example I live where we actually get harsh winter weather (Ice covered by a foot of snow, with freezing rain on-top of that) and all my friends with paddle-shifters wish they had a pedal-clutch and stick... but on the track in beautiful weather... they love it.

On ice everything sucks!!! The only thing different I see is having to press on the clutch, which I don't miss. I would rather have the paddles, your hands never leave the wheel and that's where they need to be.

Guess it's personal preference, whatever makes you comfortable behind the wheel is best for you.

[Paperlantern]

Heel-Toe should NOT be something you are doing in day to day driving. Its for maximum performance through turns. Driving a passenger vehicle on regular roads should NEVER require this, and if you cannot do it without using it, you're doing it wrong.

1 foot = 1 pedal. Always. Ive never felt the need to heel-toe in a passenger vehicle on regular roads, the thought of it is preposterous to me. I didn't think ANYONE would have a reason to do it, this is the first I've EVER heard of anyone NEEDING to drive with this technique under normal circumstances. Wild.