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[Freebird]

Maybe we should start a thread entitled "States or areas using Q/T" . This would inform members of its use in their area before they become a victim, or help in selecting a V1 vrs Belscort depending on if it is a threat in you area.

[mrkookm]

How are they going knowni QT is being use if they don't own a V1 or Whistler ?

Anyways in case you guys missed this let me repost...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0OOhPcHdPc]YouTube - Escort 9500ci and V1 3.813 vs. Moving I/O Ka 34.7[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQsee1RrLAE]YouTube - Escort 9500ci and V1 3.813 vs. I/O Ka 35.5[/ame]

[Freebird]

How are they going know QT is being use if they don't own a V1 or Whistler ?

By the other forum members who run a V1 and a CI or similar reporting they experienced Q/T in that area.

[Fiah]

[]In the event this was not 33.8, I would ask that you submit this as an issue with your RedLine on the Escort Radar forum. Same for anyone else that has compelling evidence of a recent no-alert condition from their Belscort, suspecting QT as the issue. The reason I think this is important now is that Belscort is just getting over all the new product releases from the 4th quarter of last year and their latest software release. We need to put addressing the response times of their detectors at the top of the list for things to do next!

snoopyc4 put the epic QT fail video up on the Escort Forum and it got exactly zero responses from Escort. In fact, the only person to respond to it at all was me! It seems to me that Escort plans to ignore this obvious problem until it hurts sales, which is incredibly disappointing.

[ame=http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1439]Sneaky LEO - Escort Radar Forum[/ame]

Hey, looks like an escort rep replied.

[SmoothFox]

[quote=Fiah;711968]

[]In the event this was not 33.8, I would ask that you submit this as an issue with your RedLine on the Escort Radar forum. Same for anyone else that has compelling evidence of a recent no-alert condition from their Belscort, suspecting QT as the issue. The reason I think this is important now is that Belscort is just getting over all the new product releases from the 4th quarter of last year and their latest software release. We need to put addressing the response times of their detectors at the top of the list for things to do next!

snoopyc4 put the epic QT fail video up on the Escort Forum and it got exactly zero responses from Escort. In fact, the only person to respond to it at all was me! It seems to me that Escort plans to ignore this obvious problem until it hurts sales, which is incredibly disappointing.



Hey, looks like an escort rep replied.

Yep " We are definitely aware of it and are looking into solutions."


What and when will it be fixed?

[Obsidian]

[quote=SmoothFox;712018]

[]In the event this was not 33.8, I would ask that you submit this as an issue with your RedLine on the Escort Radar forum. Same for anyone else that has compelling evidence of a recent no-alert condition from their Belscort, suspecting QT as the issue. The reason I think this is important now is that Belscort is just getting over all the new product releases from the 4th quarter of last year and their latest software release. We need to put addressing the response times of their detectors at the top of the list for things to do next!

snoopyc4 put the epic QT fail video up on the Escort Forum and it got exactly zero responses from Escort. In fact, the only person to respond to it at all was me! It seems to me that Escort plans to ignore this obvious problem until it hurts sales, which is incredibly disappointing.



Hey, looks like an escort rep replied.

Yep " We are definitely aware of it and are looking into solutions."


What and when will it be fixed?

That's encouraging news anyway. I don't see Q/T as much of a problem honestly, I'd just like them to fix it to shut up the zombies.

[Escort_Redline]

If Escort releases a software update and provides the option to turn "Ka guard off" (like the V1) it would be a lot better at detecting Q/T.

Escort programs their detectors to "filter" signals to see if it is false or not. So, it does not generally sound off to short burst signals. I think the Redline's hardware is great, however, the software needs to be updated to meet Real World encounters.

[nine_c1]

Yep " We are definitely aware of it and are looking into solutions."


What and when will it be fixed?

Wouldn't we all love to know that!

By the same token, I'm sure Escort would love to know how many folks are going to run out and buy a new Belscort detector (or send in their current detector for an update) if they invest in making an improvement in response times?

In the longterm, I would think Escort will take response times into account with future hardware AND Firmware design. Those will be a$$ kicking detectors that eliminate ALL exposure to short duration radar shots.

In the near term, all you have to do is look back to see what is possible with current product to improve response times. The Bel STi-R (M3) with band segmentation and rdr is a competent performer against QT. Likewise, the (M4) RX65 in USA mode also cuts down on scan time......just like band segmentation.......by cutting out 75% of the Ka band that is scanned unnecessarily in the US.

But again, the question for them is, will we (the radar enthusiast community) put our money where our mouth is? The Bel STi-R flopped in sales. The Escort C65 (with USA mode) is collecting dust on the shelf. If they make the investment to put these features on detectors like the 9500ci, RedLine, STi Driver and 9500ix..........is anyone going to reach into their pocket to pay for it? The average buyer is not savvy to the benefit, and how many "experts" like us are out here waiting for it?

I think they will do it..........how soon may depend on their assessment of the above. But.......on the other hand......for all we know it could already be in the works.

[Cauhauna]

I love how all of the Belscort users talk about how quick trigger and instant-on are used sparingly throughout the country. Yes, and marijuana and cocaine are used sparingly throughout the U.S. Also, all cops establish a tracking history on every car, always tell the truth about how fast you were going, and never pull people over just to harass them because they "felt" you were guilty of something.

Well said.

UHP. That adds another possibility here depending on which band he was on. If 33.8 Ka, it's possible the LEO could have switched over to POP mode.
Enabling POP on the RedLine would be advantageous in this case.

Keep dreaming fanboy. He didn't switch to pop mode. He simply switched on and off faster than the Redline could detect it, and just like in the videos on this site, it eventually caught an alert or the operator got slow and lazy.

Absolutely. But it isn't like the V1 is the only RD alerting to QT or IO and all the rest are silent.

Yes, that is exactly what it is. Only V1 and Whistler alerts to QT reliably and consistently.

Your world and part of the country aren't like mine. If they want to get a fast reading where I am, they don't jerk around with QT...they just LASER you to death. The word "sparingly" regarding QT in my neck of the woods is actually generous since I've NEVER been hit with it.

Dude, are you kidding? You were there when we tested the K-band sports radar in your driveway, and that Bel or Escort detector you had missed nearly everything, while the V1 picked up nearly all. I remember the V1 maybe missed 3 shots in 10 mins of pulling And your Belscort picked up 3 shots out of the 10 minutes?

Also, don't think for a second GSP doesn't shoot QT. Our neck of the woods are just 90 miles apart, and it is a real threat here. SRTGA also deals with it.

Also, saw rear laser right near your exit the other day. Just a heads up.....

Maybe we should start a thread entitled "States or areas using Q/T" . This would inform members of its use in their area before they become a victim, or help in selecting a V1 vrs Belscort depending on if it is a threat in you area.

Ok, here is the correct answer:

# of States where QT is a potential threat: 50

Detector buying advice: If you want your detector to alert to radar that is within range of being detected 100% of the time, buy a v1.

If you want a detector with the maximum possible range but that may or may not actually alert to the signal depending on length of transmission, buy a Belscort.


And, saving the best for last:

We are definitely aware of it and are looking into solutions.

[ame]http://escortradarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1439[/ame]

/closethread

[CJR238]

Maybe we should start a thread entitled "States or areas using Q/T" . This would inform members of its use in their area before they become a victim, or help in selecting a V1 vrs Belscort depending on if it is a threat in you area.

X2, this is the #1 thing we can do to help new people and allow Escort to realistically see the problem. Complaining and blowing it out of proportion claiming its a 1-5 second delay isn't going to do it.

Escort is working on the QT issue but as we all know it will be a new unit, and hopefully a RedLine-ix. I think the 9500ci can be flashed with this fix though, if/when its available.

We know QT is used and in some areas more than others. Though its not an official technique that should be used it can be used anywhere at any time.

So far i have collected several states that have had at least 1 QT incident, but i would prefer 100% confirmation with V1 users and preferably ci/V1 users to be sure.

Anyone up for creating the thread? I'm pretty much done with QT, all the facts are out there now.
However if QT becomes prevalent around me im sure you will see me on the evening news catching these unscrupulous LEO's.