Redline response time

[North Alabama]

Nine_c1, very well worded and on the money! Great outstanding job! Filtering (including total scan rate) can be a major issue in rare radar situations, one can get nailed when the Rd should have performed because I have had some very close calls with C/O. A slight angle off axis of C/O Ka with a low priorty signal strength is the weakness of the V1, and anything around greater than 40 degrees weak front off axis, blindness sets in with the filter without an over ride. It looks like high/low priority gate logic (can be done on the strength meter) is what makes the RD sit and think (and/or/time delay gates). Should I alarm now or wait and look at the other inputs (examples- strength/noise spikes/harms/wave shape/ramp-up-speed) because the signal is still not a high priority yet, thus do another action (re-scan to check, for example) which takes a little time. But the strong signal over ride looks like it does have a priority on the CPU's function list list to make one slam on the brakes, a little slow for us sometimes..........

[SoulSeeker]

h mode

tsr off

true lock off

x and ku off

How much is the check up with escort?

i have a 3yr warranty from bb, but if I go back they will give me a new one I don't want that I need a check up.

my ix is from october of 09.

[GTO_04]

Keep in mind that forward facing signals often times behave more like off-axis even though the source is directly ahead of you. I did not myself fully understand the dynamics of this until a friend explained it (Thank You Dr. X)!

We would like to hear more on the Dr. X explanation! Is it possibly because with forward facing radar we are dealing with reflected signals and they are more likely to be off-axis to some degree?

GTO_04

[Bridge Cables]

Nine_c1, thanks for the explanations and effort, this should be a sticky along with your explanation of the various RD filtering and their affects whether enabled or disabled.

Looks like it would be beneficial, as you mentioned, incorporating this standardization in judging criteria which has been done to varying degrees at different RD events I’ve read about. Hopefully this would hold the feet of the RD makers to the fire a bit more for improvements for RD users.

BC

[nine_c1]

Keep in mind that forward facing signals often times behave more like off-axis even though the source is directly ahead of you. I did not myself fully understand the dynamics of this until a friend explained it (Thank You Dr. X)!

We would like to hear more on the Dr. X explanation! Is it possibly because with forward facing radar we are dealing with reflected signals and they are more likely is going to be off-axis to some degree?

GTO_04

A quote from Dr. X in response to an inquiry I made regarding a particular detectors lack luster forward facing range on occasion.

"......the #$@!$%'s apparent weakness to FF is likely attributable to its increased horn directivity. It's highly unlikely that reflected signals of any real amplitude will be of sufficient distance from the prime emitter to have successfully established a broad enough reflected RF wavefront to truly present a strong direct signal to the horn, so off axis detection weakness comes into play."

It was a very educational moment for me and I'm happy to share it with the other members of this forum. The obvious revelation is that Forward Facing is likely to present itself as an off axis signal to the detector even when the source is dead ahead.

I scrambled the detector's identity as it is the concept that is important to understand more so than the particular model we were discussing.

[OpenRoad]

Thanks for the input. So in my case with the Redline and the LEO in center divide, the 95 [%]=Percent of the delay was on his part. I counted perhaps 4 seconds. I did notice he was looking down, then up, then 'beeeeep'. Must have been that tuna sandwich.

[aradarnut]

Must have been that tuna sandwich.

He only wishes, LOL.

[North Alabama]

Any signal that is strong enough will over ride and alarm like in this I/O hit thread with the Redline more that likely giving a 1 second alarm delay at the best. I know this is the Escort forum, but to give an example of delays, what I experienced today with the 3.872 V1 is an example of filtering and delays. Behind a C/O Ka Stalker County Leo, the different alarms alarmed in this order, started out at, 1 LED, 1 LED, 3 LEDs, 4 LEDs and then a shocking 5 LED alarm at a red light with no moving traffic in front of the Leo with a long wait (X and POP off, Ka Guard on) before the V1 alarmed while I moved close behind him. The alarms got worse on this radar with the last alarm should have been alarming a lot sooner and not start out at 5 LEDs. I hope the Escorts do not have this programing filtering flaw with a reflective (or off axis) signal like the V1 has. Agreed, these Rds should be tested with front and reflective radar at different strengths to see how they perform. The Escort QT test was done with the radar gun hitting a building wall then bouncing back which can lead to errors due to mulitple out-of-phase signals (strength over ride is important), some Rds may not like that thus ignore them to a point due to filtering......

[GTO_04]

Keep in mind that forward facing signals often times behave more like off-axis even though the source is directly ahead of you. I did not myself fully understand the dynamics of this until a friend explained it (Thank You Dr. X)!

We would like to hear more on the Dr. X explanation! Is it possibly because with forward facing radar we are dealing with reflected signals and they are more likely to be off-axis to some degree?

GTO_04

A quote from Dr. X in response to an inquiry I made regarding a particular detectors lack luster forward facing range on occasion.

"......the #$@!$%'s apparent weakness to FF is likely attributable to its increased horn directivity. It's highly unlikely that reflected signals of any real amplitude will be of sufficient distance from the prime emitter to have successfully established a broad enough reflected RF wavefront to truly present a strong direct signal to the horn, so off axis detection weakness comes into play."

It was a very educational moment for me and I'm happy to share it with the other members of this forum. The obvious revelation is that Forward Facing is likely to present itself as an off axis signal to the detector even when the source is dead ahead.

I scrambled the detector's identity as it is the concept that is important to understand more so than the particular model we were discussing.

Thanks for the explanation. It was very informative.

GTO_04

[CJR238]

I've seen some delays with my ix when a LEO has already a customer and leaves his Radar on, I initially get a response right on top of the LEO and I start to wonder why in the world so late of a response.

One time it happened on a road trip there where two LEO's with a customer on the other side of the highway one of them was running C/O K and the other C/O Ka band and my ix didn't go on until I was next to them it really thru me off anybody know why?

I find this to happen usually with forward facing radar, or off axis radar, and usually KA band because its such a narrow cone. It happens to all RD's.

h mode

tsr off

true lock off

x and ku off

How much is the check up with escort?

i have a 3yr warranty from bb, but if I go back they will give me a new one I don't want that I need a check up.

my ix is from october of 09.

They will not replace your unit, only tune it up and make sure all is good.