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[ISF GUY]

In my area they use VASCAR, too. A friend and I went out last weekend with a roller and some black paint to erase their lines... lol!

Too funny!!

[supercowpowers]

Welcome from Western PA. There's a few people on here from PA so any questions you may have should be able to be answered accurately and efficiently.

Don't be sorry.I got a lawyer and got it reduced to a parking ticket.Cost me alot, but no Ins. charge.Sorry about the repeat posts.

I am curious as to how much your ticket was for, and how much your lawyer fee was. I may need a lawyer in the near future with all of these State Troopers hiding behind trees lately. Lol

No you don't I honestly believe that the only traffic citations you should ever need a lawyer for in PA are reckless driving, DUI, or driving under suspension. That being said I've never viewed a PSP speeding case before either, lol.

I've never defended myself, but three times now I hired a lawyer and was able to get speeding tickets reduced or converted to something with no points without having to go before the judge. My thinking was that having a lawyer at the first hearing (not as an act of desperation for an appeal), dressing nice, carrying what looked like a stack of papers in my folder, etc, would communicate that I was serious and it would be less trouble to make a deal. I wonder if that was overkill.

[SteadySpeedin]

Welcome from Western PA. There's a few people on here from PA so any questions you may have should be able to be answered accurately and efficiently.

Don't be sorry.I got a lawyer and got it reduced to a parking ticket.Cost me alot, but no Ins. charge.Sorry about the repeat posts.

I am curious as to how much your ticket was for, and how much your lawyer fee was. I may need a lawyer in the near future with all of these State Troopers hiding behind trees lately. Lol

No you don't I honestly believe that the only traffic citations you should ever need a lawyer for in PA are reckless driving, DUI, or driving under suspension. That being said I've never viewed a PSP speeding case before either, lol.

I've never defended myself, but three times now I hired a lawyer and was able to get speeding tickets reduced or converted to something with no points without having to go before the judge. My thinking was that having a lawyer at the first hearing (not as an act of desperation for an appeal), dressing nice, carrying what looked like a stack of papers in my folder, etc, would communicate that I was serious and it would be less trouble to make a deal. I wonder if that was overkill.

What was the cost of a lawyer each time? Also, there's no such thing as overkill when it comes to your license. Lol

[supercowpowers]

What was the cost of a lawyer each time? Also, there's no such thing as overkill when it comes to your license. Lol

$500 the first time, then $300 from the same lawyer. I hadn't even gone to trial for the first one yet, so I got a discount for being a frequent customer... lol... Second lawyer for the last ticket was $300.

I've heard of $50 lawyers in other places but I find it hard to believe. They aren't cheap around here, but they still cost a lot less than the insurance company finding out or having to take the bus.

[krypton2]

What was the cost of a lawyer each time? Also, there's no such thing as overkill when it comes to your license. Lol

$500 the first time, then $300 from the same lawyer. I hadn't even gone to trial for the first one yet, so I got a discount for being a frequent customer... lol... Second lawyer for the last ticket was $300.

I've heard of $50 lawyers in other places but I find it hard to believe. They aren't cheap around here, but they still cost a lot less than the insurance company finding out or having to take the bus.

Ouch :s

I dunno, being that it's PA your side of the state could work totally different from my side but I'd say about 60 percent of people contest their speeding citations and the majority represent themselves...it's rare that they actually have to fight their case, they're normally just told that they can plead to 5 over (which incurs no points and a fine of about $125) before the hearing even starts. If they say no then they actually have the opportunity to work through their case. That's true for at least half a dozen district judge offices around here, but it's probably like that at all of them.

Like I said before that's just for citations from municipal police, radar/PSP speeding cases may work differently.

[stano0098]

I guess I signed up because after the first time I got my first speeding ticket I have been looking for ways to beat the system.I was looking for reviews for the c50 cheetah and wound up here and started looking around and got a kick out of the stories because the same stuff happens to me!

Welcome.

I joined for the same reason you did. Here are some important things to know ...

-A C50 would be useless in PA, unless you are in the Philly area. That's the only place RLCs are allowed. Given your location of "Central PA", I would imagine that you don't get out to the Philly area often, so I wouldn't buy it.

-Only State Troopers can use Radar. Locals are restricted to using VASCAR/ENRADD, so the only defense you have against the Locals is your eyes.

I have a VASCAR encounter video, so you can see what it looks like.



Here is a video of what ENRADD looks like. (Taken by Stano0098, a PA member here)



Both the State Troopers and the Locals can't use LIDAR. PA is the only state that bans the use of it. Yeah, it's sh**ty.

-You need a Valentine One, and a Valentine One only. This is the only detector that will provide you with a good defense against Q/T and I/O K Band used by State Troopers.

That's pretty much it for now. Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

X2! You really summed it up nicely.

[iflysmooth]

I joined for the same reason you did. Here are some important things to know ...

-A C50 would be useless in PA, unless you are in the Philly area. That's the only place RLCs are allowed. Given your location of "Central PA", I would imagine that you don't get out to the Philly area often, so I wouldn't buy it.

-Only State Troopers can use Radar. Locals are restricted to using VASCAR/ENRADD, so the only defense you have against the Locals is your eyes.

I have a VASCAR encounter video, so you can see what it looks like.



Here is a video of what ENRADD looks like. (Taken by Stano0098, a PA member here)



Both the State Troopers and the Locals can't use LIDAR. PA is the only state that bans the use of it. Yeah, it's sh**ty.

-You need a Valentine One, and a Valentine One only. This is the only detector that will provide you with a good defense against Q/T and I/O K Band used by State Troopers.

That's pretty much it for now. Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Ya I know but I goto nyc,ohio,md and nj alot so I am looking at it.Don't know if I will get one.What I am saving for is the LI quad for the darn LIDAR!

[iflysmooth]

Don't be sorry.I got a lawyer and got it reduced to a parking ticket.Cost me alot, but no Ins. charge.Sorry about the repeat posts.

I am curious as to how much your ticket was for, and how much your lawyer fee was. I may need a lawyer in the near future with all of these State Troopers hiding behind trees lately. Lol

Sorry it took so long to reply.I guess I should read my threads!He he he.If I can find his card I will pm you with his name and address.This guy is good, but it will cost you.$750 and the ticket.Whatever he gets it reduced too.The ticket was for 72 in a 55 upstate NY near tarrytown.I got him through a friend because of the points and ins charge.He knows ALOT of judges and works in NY,NJ & PA.If not I'll bet he knows a good one for PA.At the time I lived in NY and could not afford anymore points!

[CakM3]

I guess I signed up because after the first time I got my first speeding ticket I have been looking for ways to beat the system.I was looking for reviews for the c50 cheetah and wound up here and started looking around and got a kick out of the stories because the same stuff happens to me!

I don't look at it as beating the system but more as gaining more knowledge and how to be more "aware" before I get nailed. I have learned a lot in the short time here and realize that having a good rd is just a step towards complete situational awareness. I know that I will be needing to get a good lj as well to complete my setup. I think reading from others who have observed LEOs tactics and reporting it here helps to bring more awareness. Knowing your adversary is part of the equation to avoiding tickets. Not fullproof but if you have the right equipment setup in your car and are aware of how your local LEO operates and where then you increase your chances of avoiding a ticket. Also, driving sensibly will also help.

Yep, counter measures just level the playing field, as far as I'm concerned. You can have all of the best counter measures out there, but one is still far from being invincible. Having a radar detector is one thing; knowing how to use it is another.

That is so true!

[wsimpson58]

Thought I'd "ditto" in this thread to satisfy the admin reqs, but I am with you on what is said. One other tool I have found indispensible is pre-paid legal. Fax over the citation and let a lawyer handle court dates for only $15.0/mo. - PRICELESS