LI Reliability Issues ?????

[noTe]

call me and we can talk..to answer your reply is redundant.

There is no reason for me to call you, since you are going off on the forum on LI you can reply to me here. Plus, I'm at work and have a cold.

[Elvis]

There is no reason for me to call you, since you are going off on the forum on LI you can reply to me here. Plus, I'm at work and have a cold.

When I told you to crimp the ends it is because that's what I was told by Ivan to do and it should fix the problem...After numerous complaints kept coming in I was told to replace them...I THEN REPLACED THEM. Here is an email That I sent Ivan asking for replacements for this problem...

From: Elvis To: interceptor Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:11 am Subject: li problems... Ivan, I need those replacements now....This is starting to really get very frustrating for me.. i have replaced all the people that need replacing with my own that I bought and I am not getting the support I need from you guys back there.

As you can see from the above excerpt, I was trying to help people, but was getting NO support from the company.

[djrams80]

Well maybe you should just ask The current rep what the failure rates coming back to him are and IF he is honest about that and what he promised me for replacements then we can truly be advised of the current problems.

He's told me the failure rate and it's no where near what you had and that's a fact.

I am glad yours works. I would have been glad if all of them worked, then I would not have a negative opinion or the problems I had with this less than reputable company and integrity issues with those people involved.

I really don't believe the company will be around next year.

There are lots of disgruntled former employees has these same opinions that you do of the company that fires them. You're not special, but your opinion is biased.

As far as I am concerned I have a right to voice my opinions on this or any other forum. Nobody has the right to stop me. That is what this board is for.If you don't like it don't read it.

I read everything here. My point is, since your opinion is obviously biased, your statements don't hold much water. Those of us that are consumers only, our opinions are more useful to potential consumers. I have nothing to lose or gain from posting my opinions here, except to help other members. Members here trust my opinions because I tell it like it is. I have no biases. Why would I? I'm just a consumer.

Sales guys' opinions, or in your case, former sales guy, are discouraged here, because of their obvious bias. This is a place for us consumers to talk to other consumers and get the real scoop. If my LIs sucked, I would tell everyone that they sucked. My ZR4s are decent up front and useless on the back of my car. I tell everyone that to help them in making their purchase. Us consumers are here to help one another. You're here because you're pissed and have an agenda. That's why us consumers come in and basically place an asterisk by every one of your posts. So those new members know why your opinions are what they are. Even if you're right, no one takes your posts seriously. So why bother?

[TSi+WRX]

FWIW, I agree with dj.

And for those who want some past history:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...w-usa-rep.html

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...-problems.html

If there are any community members out there who have unresolved issues with their LI(s - as I know of more than a handful who bought more than one unit), please step forward now.

We all know how hostile this Forum has been to the LI, ever since the original LI "Conference" was disbanded, due to the failed legalization of the LI, for import.

If this is true, then it should not take much of a clarion call for any remaining disenchanted or disenfranchised owners to come out, publicly, and raise their hands and be counted.

Over the last few months, since his taking over the reins of LI-North America, I believe, personally, that Cliff ([b]Laser-InterceptorUSA) has done a wonderful job in cleaning up the warranty-claim mess caused by the defective weathersealing of the first-US-batch's heads (8.0 head version) - as exemplified by his repeated postings of warranty resolution on the LI Forum. Similarly, in the few cases we know of via this Forum or the LI Forum, he as taken care of the handful of new issues that presented, in a similarly expedient and professional manner.

If there remains dissatisfied customers out there, this would be the place to air it out.

I plea to you, as a fellow independent hobbyist: come forward, now, and help us - this community - settle this.

[noTe]

If there remains dissatisfied customers out there, this would be the place to air it out.

Honestly, I'm only dissatisfied a little bit because I have now owned my LI for a year and you already have to upgrade the hardware for the software upgrades.

I thought when I first bought my LI that there would only be software upgrades.

We still are not told what the true differences are between the 8.0 heads and the 8.5 heads. I'm worried that even tho I'll eventually get a CPU upgrade for the TruSpeed with my current heads, that another LIDAR gun will come out and require us to upgrade the heads again.

[Laser-InterceptorUSA]

We still are not told what the true difference between the 8.0 heads and the 8.5 heads.

The 8.5 Sensors have different hardware (proprietary ) on the PCB that was required for JTG performance against the TraffiPatrol XR Euro gun.

..... worried that even tho I'll eventually get a CPU upgrade for the TruSpeed with my current heads, that another LIDAR gun will come out and require us to upgrade the heads again.

It is entirely possible that this may indeed occur as even we here at LI cannot foresee what advances in LIDAR Technology will come to market. This was the case with the VPR Technology used in the Euro Gun, the Traffipatrol XR. LI quickly made production changes to defend against this new threat which required both software as well as hardware changes. Admittedly, early LI adopters XR jamming Capabilities were not JTG performance but afforded them sufficient capabilities, via LI's proprietary Generic Algorithm, to detect and slow down, and, as this gun was deployed in EURO only, US and Canadian LI Users were not affected so no Upgrade program was needed to address this.

If indeed, any new LIDAR uses a technology that presently deployed LI units are incapable of dealing with, I'm quite sure that I will be the first to champion the cause for USA and Canadian LI Users, to have made available to them, an Upgrade program that will allow them to defend against this new threat, much as LI has done with the TruSpeed Upgrade, not require existing LI Users to purchase a completely new LI but rather merely pay a smaller Upgrade fee to achieve JTG performance against these new threats. This is the beauty of the design of the LI in that the sensors and CPU are separate making Updates to deal with 99.9% of new threats, a simple CPU Software change and not requiring a completely new LI.

Cliff - LI-USA

[noTe]

That's the kind of reply I was looking for, thanks Cliff.

Now I understand 8.5 sensors are only for the Euro gun. I actually thought there was a performance increase or reliability difference.

[Laser-InterceptorUSA]

That's the kind of reply I was looking for, thanks Cliff.

Now I understand 8.5 sensors are only for the Euro gun. I actually thought there was a performance increase or reliability difference.

The 200 or so sensors we had the initial sealant problem with were the early 8.0. The newer current version 8.5 sensors use a much harder epoxy that solved that issue. This is why one of your two 8.0 sensors that I replaced at GOL 08 failed and your other is still operational.

Cliff - LI-USA

[TSi+WRX]

Seems to be an unresolved (but progressing towards resolution) issue here:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...tml#post470821

[Elvis]

The 200 or so sensors we had the initial sealant problem with were the early 8.0. The newer current version 8.5 sensors use a much harder epoxy that solved that issue. This is why one of your two 8.0 sensors that I replaced at GOL 08 failed and your other is still operational.

Cliff - LI-USA

Cliff why don't you tell the people that the 200 sensors you are referring to are from the entire batch sold were not only in the U.S. but all over the world.

There are only a 100 to 200 sold in the United States currently so there is really not a huge following like you seem to indicate. In eight months I only sold about 100 units and there were of course a couple group buys which was a total nightmare for the consumers because of the Croatia company not getting their money profit when the euro conversion hit.

Cliff also tell the people how many you took in from me after the agreed buyout and how many are still not working that I currently have because you have not HONORED THE WARRANTY ON and taken them off my hands.

My opinion is a sour note indeed. But it is my opinion. I am not selling anything here except the facts of LI.

Agenda here is to expose the truth about LI. NOTHING MORE.

And to the Charles Charlie GUY...TALK ALL YOU WANT..Its kinda funny...Everybody likes a little drama from time to time and you are entitled to your opinions.