Is there a reason to buy anything but the LI?

[Stealth Stalker]

That's definitely significant, but what I am saying is that if it takes 4 Blinder sensors to properly protect the front of a vehicle, yet takes only 2 LI sensors to properly protect the front of the same vehicle, I'd rather only have to install 2 sensors for about the same price.

I think it is important to ultimately compare systems both on a head-for-head basis and a dollar-for-dollar basis. There is evidence that, in some cases, four Blinder heads may provide a better solution than two LI heads because of coverage. This would be especially probable on a truck or larger vehicle. That wouldn't mean that the Blinder is "better" than the LI, or vice versa. But, as Speed-Dreams says, it may be what works best for your situation. It's like asking what works better, a spotlight or a floodlight? The answer is going to depend upon what you are trying to light up.

[904nm]

Whoa, I'm confused... I thought the 4 head Blinder unit was to cover the front and rear of the vehicle (2 on each end). Are you guys saying it is designed to mount all 4 heads on the front? And then you have to also buy a second unit to mount in the rear?

[djrams80]

Whoa, I'm confused... I thought the 4 head Blinder unit was to cover the front and rear of the vehicle (2 on each end). Are you guys saying it is designed to mount all 4 heads on the front? And then you have to also buy a second unit to mount in the rear?

You can put the 4 sensors anywhere you'd like. I'm almost positive that the M47 tested had all 4 sensors up front on category4's truck. I also believe that truck has Veil applied.

[rsatmans]

Whoa, I'm confused... I thought the 4 head Blinder unit was to cover the front and rear of the vehicle (2 on each end). Are you guys saying it is designed to mount all 4 heads on the front? And then you have to also buy a second unit to mount in the rear?

You can put the 4 sensors anywhere you'd like. I'm almost positive that the M47 tested had all 4 sensors up front on category4's truck. I also believe that truck has Veil applied.

I was the shooter at the testing event so maybe I can clear some of this up.

The first thing I would like to say there was no funny business whatsoever at the test to my knowledge. Everyone including Blinder-Guy carried themselves with integrity. He let us mount the system anyway we wanted and carry out the test how we wanted. He gave us no prerequisites and urged that we report the good and BAD to the community. The unit in question was according to Blinder-Guy a "full retail production unit".

Category4's truck has veil G4 applied to the headlights.

We tested the M47 with all heads up front. We had some hiccups in the first couple of runs including mounting position and orientation of sensors. They where mounted on top of m-45 heads which where J15/16.

The test results speak for themselves in saying that the M47 we tested was a much better performer than the J15/16. I believe that Blinder has a real winner on there hands.

Now, I have never suggested that a M27 is equal to the LI. I believe that just as blinder says you need a M47 for trucks and suvs with all 4 heads in the front.

My battery is dying but I will comeback with more soon.

[djrams80]

I was the shooter at the testing event so maybe I can clear some of this up.

The first thing I would like to say there was no funny business whatsoever at the test to my knowledge. Everyone including Blinder-Guy carried themselves with integrity.

I have no doubt this is true. I am not questioning anyone that tested the unit's integrity. I don't think anyone is. I'm not even questioning Micah's integrity. To be 100% honest, it's Leon that has the history that makes me skeptical of all new Blinder products.

He let us mount the system anyway we wanted and carry out the test how we wanted. He gave us no prerequisites and urged that we report the good and BAD to the community. The unit in question was according to Blinder-Guy a "full retail production unit".

It can't be a retail unit, since it wasn't purchased retail. We will eventually find out if the unit you guys tested performs the same as retail units or not. I'll tell you that the delay in product realease also raises questions.

And "production" unit? Time to hit the "keep it real" button again. If that "production" unit was tested about two months ago, then that means they have a finished "product" and the "production" line should have been running for the last two months. They should be able to "produce" quite a few Blinders in two months of "production". What's that? Hundreds? Thousands? Whatever it is, there should be no shortage of "produced" Blinders. The funny thing is, Blinder-Guy doesn't have any Blinder M27/M47s to sell. Why not, if the "production" line has been running for at least two months? I gotta throw the on the Blinder "production" unit claim.

Category4's truck has veil G4 applied to the headlights.

We tested the M47 with all heads up front. We had some hiccups in the first couple of runs including mounting position and orientation of sensors. They where mounted on top of m-45 heads which where J15/16.

The test results speak for themselves in saying that the M47 we tested was a much better performer than the J15/16. I believe that Blinder has a real winner on there hands.

I'd say that the results speak to how well a non-retail M47 and Veil perform when combined together on category4's truck.

Now, I have never suggested that a M27 is equal to the LI. I believe that just as blinder says you need a M47 for trucks and suvs with all 4 heads in the front.

Exactly my point. If you have to put all four Blinder sensors up front to equal dual LI performance, I'd choose LI for sure.

My battery is dying but I will comeback with more soon.

Thanks for the info.

[jrock23]

look here guys. the m27 is just as good in some cases better than a two LI ok. but they are both great jammers. i am not saying that they are not but if u have a car why buy a LI when all u will get is front coverage.when u can buy a m47 and get front and back for cheaper and just as good in results ok. that all i am going to say. when it comes out all i am going to be doing is tell everyone how good and how right i am about how well the blinder works.

[Stealth Stalker]

Look here dude...

THERE IS NO M27 YET! PERIOD!! END OF STORY!!!

If it cannot be bought, it does not exist! Quit talking out your arse!

[happya$$]

I look forward to our GOL LIDAR event later this year. Testing retail product rocks!

[crazyVOLVOrob]

The unit in question was according to Blinder-Guy a "full retail production unit".

If you can't purchased in any Blinder dealer at the same time of the testing its not retail. I don't care what a Rep says. The Truth is if it is not in stores for the average consumer to have and hold at the time of the test then it wasn't retail

Category4's truck has veil G4 applied to the headlights.

Since when does Blinder come with a complementry supply of VEIL? The average user will not use VEIL. So if Roy is still running his combo deal to re create the same performance users would have to spend $720 + shipping

The test results speak for themselves in saying that the M47 we tested was a much better performer than the J15/16. I believe that Blinder has a real winner on there hands.

Cat4 said he check his j16/j15 M45 after the test and found out that one of his heads was only firing one led

Look here dude...

THERE IS NO M27 YET! PERIOD!! END OF STORY!!!

If it cannot be bought, it does not exist! Quit talking out your arse!

Stealth he can't stop it ever since he was given a pre-production jammer free from Blinder!

[stealthfz1]

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production" unit? Time to hit the "keep it real" button again. If that "production" unit was tested about two months ago, then that means they have a finished "product" and the "production" line should have been running for the last two months. They should be able to "produce" quite a few Blinders in two months of "production". What's that? Hundreds? Thousands? Whatever it is, there should be no shortage of "produced" Blinders. The funny thing is, Blinder-Guy doesn't have any Blinder M27/M47s to sell. Why not, if the "production" line has been running for at least two months? I gotta throw the on the Blinder "production" unit claim.

They could have done a small production run. The next production run could have been held up by component shortages. There are lead times associated with getting components. If even one component had delivery issues this would have held up the whole job. Because of the economy a lot of fabs shut down. Now there are starting to be delivery issues on some components.