Laser Mimic question

[happya$$]

What a professional response by Roy. Very well said Roy.

[antilaser]

This thread is so hot that nobody touch's it! 8) Come on Chris, you probably will not get answer's that you want to hear :idea: Do that video with the notice on S.N. and try to make it look tamper proof as possible.

[Blinder Dude]

Guy's that are coming late or just joining the fourm. This Blinder Bashing has been going on for a while. Im not sure if it is because Blinder stoped selling to Chris (jammer test) because of a MAP price issue. I have been up front with the forum and told more about Blinder that I should have. Chris has a unit and has been offered another, I am not sure what's up with his unit it's electronics. As far as the numbers Blinder will continue to make changes to the system only to make it better. Yes I lost my cool yesterday, but truthfully I have had enough Blinder bashing. Do your research we are the best jammer on the market today and plan to keep it that way. So if we make changes along to way it'sonly to make the product better. If we needed to make a software change you guys would be the first to know. Please let us know any changes you would like to see only to make the product better. Thank you Leon.

[leepoffaith]

Guy's that are coming late or just joining the fourm. This Blinder Bashing has been going on for a while. Im not sure if it is because Blinder stoped selling to Chris (jammer test) because of a MAP price issue. I have been up front with the forum and told more about Blinder that I should have. Chris has a unit and has been offered another, I am not sure what's up with his unit it's electronics. As far as the numbers Blinder will continue to make changes to the system only to make it better. Yes I lost my cool yesterday, but truthfully I have had enough Blinder bashing. Do your research we are the best jammer on the market today and plan to keep it that way. So if we make changes along to way it'sonly to make the product better. If we needed to make a software change you guys would be the first to know. Please let us know any changes you would like to see only to make the product better. Thank you Leon.

I give credit where credit is due. Admitting you lost your cool yesterday is quite big of you and most people won't do that. Koodos to you on this. You have also admitted, in the Blinder Forum, that there IS a difference just not that one stated in the forums. That's really all we were looking for. There was a difference in numbers and therefor there MUST be a difference in the Software or Hardware. Thank you for finally answering our questions. If you could go into more detail on the difference I would be curious what they are.

You seem like a good guy and everyone has their bad days. Thank you for finally clearing up these issues.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Guy's that are coming late or just joining the fourm. This Blinder Bashing has been going on for a while. Im not sure if it is because Blinder stoped selling to Chris (jammer test) because of a MAP price issue. I have been up front with the forum and told more about Blinder that I should have. Chris has a unit and has been offered another, I am not sure what's up with his unit it's electronics. As far as the numbers Blinder will continue to make changes to the system only to make it better. Yes I lost my cool yesterday, but truthfully I have had enough Blinder bashing. Do your research we are the best jammer on the market today and plan to keep it that way. So if we make changes along to way it'sonly to make the product better. If we needed to make a software change you guys would be the first to know. Please let us know any changes you would like to see only to make the product better. Thank you Leon.

I give credit where credit is due. Admitting you lost your cool yesterday is quite big of you and most people won't do that. Koodos to you on this. You have also admitted, in the Blinder Forum, that there IS a difference just not that one stated in the forums. That's really all we were looking for. There was a difference in numbers and therefor there MUST be a difference in the Software or Hardware. Thank you for finally answering our questions. If you could go into more detail on the difference I would be curious what they are.

You seem like a good guy and everyone has their bad days. Thank you for finally clearing up these issues.

agreed

[Blinder Dude]

Thank you, What I am looking for from the forum is ways to make the product better. Making the product easier to install, thing like this. I don't expect it all to be good tell us your problems. I will do my best to answer every question. Do your research before you buy. Thanks Leon

[compu44]

As far as the numbers Blinder will continue to make changes to the system only to make it better. .

Maybe a description of what the various revisions mean to the end user would put a lot of questions to rest.

[jimbonzzz]

Here's what Blinder Dude had to say about it in another thread:

Those #'s are for us to track product. There are up grades made all the time, not for others to know, but for us to track product. If we ever had a recall these up grades or failures would be easy to track.

I'm just speculating here, but it is possible that they don't mean anything to the end user at all. It is certainly possible that along the line, they did some various things that would improve the design, make them easier to produce, or more cost effective to produce, without effecting the functionality of the units as far as then end user is concerned. Things such as combining multiple components into one IC, improving the circuit board layouts, changing component manufacturers, etc etc. Then they slap the Rev# on them so if there's a recall, failures, etc they could tell if the problem was unique to a certain set of components, board design, etc.

Jim

[compu44]

Here's what Blinder Dude had to say about it in another thread:

Those #'s are for us to track product. There are up grades made all the time, not for others to know, but for us to track product. If we ever had a recall these up grades or failures would be easy to track.

I'm just speculating here, but it is possible that they don't mean anything to the end user at all. It is certainly possible that along the line, they did some various things that would improve the design, make them easier to produce, or more cost effective to produce, without effecting the functionality of the units as far as then end user is concerned. Things such as combining multiple components into one IC, improving the circuit board layouts, changing component manufacturers, etc etc. Then they slap the Rev# on them so if there's a recall, failures, etc they could tell if the problem was unique to a certain set of components, board design, etc.

Jim

That sounds entirely plausible. I'm not sure where to go at this point, i'm shying away from the mimic based on what i've read today on this forum about them possibly submitting juiced units for testing, sounds awful Fuzzbuster'esque. On the other hand, I'm still a little uneasy about the Blinder based on some of the things brought fourth by Chris. I guess i'll see how it turns out, i'm still waiting for the speedlabs tests this year before I buy anything.

[Veil Guy]

The fireworks have been really going off lately here.

Representing a manufacturer, I would like to offer some food for thought here, please.

I thinks its wonderful that Roy [with the help of our forum members] have created a place for manufactures, distributors, and end-users to all participate in - what should be - constructive dialogue.

Unfortunately, a number of these threads have deteriorated to the point that the threads are becoming destructive. The health of this forum, for all involved, is vitally dependent upon us all striving for and maintaining healthy information content flows. When this falls apart, we all suffer the consequences.

I got into a lively debate on this subject some time ago and thought the issue was ultimately resolved. Apparently it has not been.

I believe JTW when he states that his particular Blinder unit has difficulty with the Laser Atlanta in stealth mode.

What I have difficulty in believing that this is necessarily a reflection on a series of "early" blinder production units as it has been alleged.

As opposed to some "cover-up" or misrepresentations - as alleged - isn't just posible that JTW's invidual unit has a fault?

Based upon the commentary from both Blinder US and from Roy, new M20 extreme units were delayed until TA figured out the stealth mode. Suggesting the very real possibility that the above possibility is the correct one.

Based upon the REV: numbers I have seen posted here, the REV numbers all appear the same. I haven't seen any indication that the other four alphanumerics have anything to do with REV #s. Perhaps they're internal numbers to identify particular production runs and perhaps nothing more.

Even if they did represent revision numbers (which I doubt) that still doesn't directly mean that supposed earlier revision numbers represent products that don't jam the LA stealth mode. It may simply mean that Blinder Denmark, like any good manufacturer interested in the long-run is continuously making improvements.

Don't all responsible manufacturers do the same thing?

Microsoft didn't start shipping their first version of Windows as XP, did they?
Intel didn't ship their first processor as a Pentium?
Apple didn't first ship their first OS version of the Mac OS X?

Of course not. Product updates and upgrades are a normal process of all manufacturing.

Escort's current radar detector is Rev: 5
Bel's is v3.x
Valentine's is 3.xxxx

We, at VEIL, are always looking for ways to improve upon what we have already developed.

To take a positive thing and suggest a "negative" because of unsubstantiated beliefs is...

I fully expect JTW to post of a video showing his particular unit to have a problem with stealth-mode. What does this really prove?

That perhaps he does have a defective unit. If JTW can demonstrate this across a number of "early" units, then perhaps he is on to something. Until that time, though, it is simply speculation and if it is to be discussed publicly, should be described as such.

From what I have understood, Blinder has made more than one attempt to offer a repair/replacement. What else can they do?

I have appreciated JTW's contributions here and am looking forward to what he is going to find-out with the three radar detectors that we sent him.

I sincerely hope we can keep the content flows on this forum healthy. Name calling - from where ever its coming - is a real turn-off.

I sincerely hope this helps give us all a moment of pause...

The Veil Guy 8)