Stupid Question

[spankyaf]

Any reaction from the Leos at this range? They must be wondering the WTF....

Eventually the training they receive will include jammers.

Thx for the legal advice...... 3 points or no... enquiring minds want to know?

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Any officer can prove the LPP is a laser jammer!!!!! Search it on the internet and you will find the information...You can even see videos of it working!!!!! Don't be so blind and ignorant thinking cops are are stupid

[RR]

I like the fact that it is a parking sensor. If I ever get pulled over I do have a fighting chance to win the arguments. If we go to car, I can argue that infinitis and Volvo have a similar product and my device is for a safer road.

reason I am bringing up my point is I recently heard about a guy who asked for help fighting a ticket in the forums and when he showed up to court the officer had all forum post/responses printed out as evidence against that guy...The LPP is openly known as a laser jammer more openly than a parking sensor....exactly yhr reason why i doubt having a manual sayingit's a parking sensor will help you. especially if you get a jam code on the Laser Atlanta...like every jammer now gives..

How is that evidence against someone in court?

That was an attempt by the officer to show that - oh it's not a parking sensor, it's really a LIDAR jammer. That does not a) prove that it's not a parking sensor; b) it does not have anything to do with the intent of the owner of the vehicle / the person in court at the time; and c) as pointed out elsewhere the LPP is not the only device which is advertised as doing something else and happens to interfere with police and other LIDAR devices.

Example: is a State government going to outlaw allowing Toyota Sennia drivers from using their laser based cruise control? Of course not. It's either a defect with the car's cruise control, or perhaps it's a defect with the police LIDAR guns.

LIDAR devices are regulated by the FDA - which for all practical purposes does not regulate them. It's not like Radar and the FCC where you have to meet Part 15 / Part 90 regulations to build a device (i.e. regs against interference).

The person you're describing should have been prepared for that in court. Does anyone believe there are not LEO's reading all these posts, and perhaps in some cases contributing to them?

Furthermore, since when are bulletin board postings admissable as evidence? That should have been thrown out as heresay. No cross examination. No expert testimony. How does the judge (or the defendant) know that the officer did not make it up and print it out on his home computer? How does anyone know whether the printed posts - even if legitimate - are true or a bunch of BS. Does the judge believe everything he reads in the newspaper? How about via Google? Or anywhere else online? That was a cheap shot by the officer.

If you're going to fight a ticket in court you have to remember it is a battle. That is an adversarial situation and you must be ready for any contrived BS that the police officer or prosecutor might try and come up with. If you know that they know you have an LPP, well what do you think they are going to do?

What's golden in that situation is the product manual. You wanted a parking sensor, you bought that one because you thought it would fit your needs. You have a product manual saying it's a parking sensor. You have a receipt saying it's a parking sensor? What is the problem????

Again, what is your intent? Is this how the device normally operates, etc.

If you lose that case, you need to appeal - unless of course you don't care about the $ and the points on your license.

If you don't fight for your rights, you will lose them to someone who is fighting harder to take them away from you.

RR

[Toronto-radar-chopper]

I am not sure about the laws where you are but in Ontario:

A traffic violation ticket is provincial controlled and not a capital crime. The police officer does not have prove behond reasonable doubt. They do not need to show criminal intent.

Remember, that anything that is not "stock" on you car can be deemed illegal. My HID's for example are aftermarket and I can be ticketed for that.

It is the drivers responsibility to ensure their vehicle operates in accordance to the highway traffic Act. If it does not, ignorance will not help you.

However, in Toronto for exa,ple if you get a ticket you NOW can request a pre-trial with the prosecutor. Bring with you your documentation and 9/10 they will drop the charges. If you can proove that your device is a parking sensor you should have no problems.

I could care what a LEO reads here, like the previous posted said, the Leo can not prove in court that postings made here "are by a competant person who is an expert in the field of electronic speed warning devices.."

Put any jammer in your car in Toronto, the prosecutor/judge will not be able to tell what is a LPP, blinder or real parking sensor. If anything you will get a $80.00 ticket with no points for after market parts on your car.