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thats because none of them us a PL2 or laser atlantaOriginally Posted by MetalFlame
muledoe1 if you want to see how well LI works,just scroll thru the threads in this sub-forum.Also check "Detector&CounterMeasureVideos" forum here and You Tube.You'll find a lot of LI videos.
BTW Every LI video I've seen so far was JTFG
I can get a pt with a headlight shot at 300 feet with a PL2 on a LPP dual head set up.
JTG every time on a single head LPP using a UL PL3 Stalker on head light shots
I got a question about those numbers
Also there is new Salker LZ1 algorithm and is also JTG!
1st the jammer heads were not all in the same spot they were all installed at the same time. With that said the installs of some heads had a more tactical advantage over the others. Crazyvolvorob showed me a picture of the m-40 install and it was a JOKE I am surprised at the numbers it got, I would have expected less.
2nd the instant PT from the UL 100 PPS gun was before the LPP 100 PPS fix done
But I am surprised at the over all performance of the LPP so like I said before $hitty install
Or maybe they were using a Laser Defender… :wink:
No offence Happy$$ and the rest of the crew but try to give them all a fair shake spend 3 days instead of 1 afternoon and put the dual head units all in the same place.
To me this is a scientific experiment in an experiment you have to have control, which means you mount them ALL in the same spot.
Just because it hasnt been posted doent mean it hasnt been tested. Your not getting PT with any gun on a vehicle with a properly set up LI. Two guys in Europe have already tested it against a PL2 or LA. And I know of one here on the East coast that has on two seperate occassions, one from testing and one real world encounter. LI is the best. And from what I have personally seen, AL G8 was the best until LI came out at a better price.thats because none of them us a PL2 or laser atlantamuledoe1 if you want to see how well LI works,just scroll thru the threads in this sub-forum.Also check "Detector&CounterMeasureVideos" forum here and You Tube.You'll find a lot of LI videos.
BTW Every LI video I've seen so far was JTFG
I can get a pt with a headlight shot at 300 feet with a PL2 on a LPP dual head set up.
JTG every time on a single head LPP using a UL PL3 Stalker on head light shots
That's how I see it, too - that with an active jammer, it's an investment against potential speeding citations, as well as insurance hikes. A penny now can well translate into a savings of dimes, or even dollars, later, on a relative scale.
With the LI, it's not just that it's considerably less expensive than the other options out there, it's also that by all current hobbyist testing, it certainly seems to perform better as well - and not by an insignificant margin, at that.
The GOL testing cited above by g-zona used a preliminary/pre-production LI - which was, in part, why there was a "hole" on the Stalker LIDAR area (which was addressed via live "tuning" by the LI's maker, at this very test). While such results as pre-production items should be taken with careful consideration of that fact, it must also be said that at this particular time-point, all reports from a variety of very trustworthy sources - our fellow good hobbyists - have documented excellent performance from the LI, on-par with that which was seen in the pre-production GOL peek.
Aside: IRCMUSA - brother charles charlie charles he has cited that with a dual LI system on the back of his M-Class, he was able to obtain true JFG performance versus his PLII, self-operated; this was in-contrast to the inability of even a dual-head LPP system to offer such complete protection, set up in the same manner. Note also that his vehicle also required 3 LPP heads, forward-facing, to effect true JTG versus the same PLII.
By all indications so far, the LI is resetting the bar for both jammer performance as well as cost.
Try not to think of the LI as being "cheap," muledoe1. Like your SRT-4 (and yes, I have a sweet spot in my heart for those cars, I'm a die-hard DSMer, and the "affordable performance" aspect of the SRT-4, to which it is a cousin, speaks highly to me), it's more like "affordable extreme performance."
That's the thing - it's very, very possible, particularly on a vehicle as small as yours as well as with your more "rounded" rear profile, that you should get effective JFG protection against rear-enforcement with the use of a dual-head LPP/AL setup.But other hand if i get a LPP 4 heads 2 in front and 2 in rear so i know i have rear protection (only because i just recently got a ticket from the rear) i will shell out the 1300$ i believe is what it will cost. As long as it works.
However, at the same time, knowing how rear-shots are effected, as well as knowing of the very hard challenges we face in terms of guarding our rear (the very highly reflective state-issue plate, combining that with the more upright rear vehicle profile, and topping that off with the rear lighting and reflector elements), I would be very hesitant to say that it's a "guaranty" against such a ticket.
So far, the only hard, concrete hobbyist/independent evidence we have of true JFG performance have come from owners of the LI.
Correct, I do own and use a three-head LPP setup on my vehicle, one control-box is used for the two forward heads, and the other for the single rear head.You said you yourself have a 3 head jammer, how well does it work for you?
It works very well, forward-facing. I have yet to encounter rear-enforcement scenarios.
Although I have not had a chance to physically test my jammers and also have not yet run into an enforcement scenario where I have not already first seen the threat and thus decreased speed/matched traffic (and thus, have not truly "road-proven" my jammer setup), I know that readings were taken of my vehicle continuously even after I had shut-down my jammers, which is typically indicative of continued targeting and an initially successful jamming attempt.
How well does it work for me? I honestly don't know. I don't habitually speed, and to me, this is a hobby/interest of mine - and particularly since I am typically a very observant driver ( even to the point now where my 22-month old daughter has learned to "spot" enforcers with me), so it's rare I come up on the unsuspected/missed trap. Aside from this hobby interest, the jammer is also there to protect me against all but the most unfair "trap" tickets.
I've actually already paid-for and received a dual-head LI, and will be installing it this weekend (and hopefully, honestly, just later today). I am planning an upgrade to a full four heads (i.e. buying two more heads) to effect more comprehensive rear-protection within the next month or two.you said that you are going to be buying a 4head LI soon??
here you go...thats because none of them us a PL2 or laser atlantamuledoe1 if you want to see how well LI works,just scroll thru the threads in this sub-forum.Also check "Detector&CounterMeasureVideos" forum here and You Tube.You'll find a lot of LI videos.
BTW Every LI video I've seen so far was JTFG
I can get a pt with a headlight shot at 300 feet with a PL2 on a LPP dual head set up.
JTG every time on a single head LPP using a UL PL3 Stalker on head light shots
KP2
YouTube - Laser Interceptor vs Kustom Signal Pro Laser II
and LA
YouTube - Laser Interceptor vs Laser Atlanta Speed Laser - normal mode
I got a question about those numbers
Also there is new Salker LZ1 algorithm and is also JTG!
1st the jammer heads were not all in the same spot they were all installed at the same time. With that said the installs of some heads had a more tactical advantage over the others. Crazyvolvorob showed me a picture of the m-40 install and it was a JOKE I am surprised at the numbers it got, I would have expected less.
2nd the instant PT from the UL 100 PPS gun was before the LPP 100 PPS fix done
But I am surprised at the over all performance of the LPP so like I said before $hitty install
Or maybe they were using a Laser Defender… :wink:
No offence Happy$$ and the rest of the crew but try to give them all a fair shake spend 3 days instead of 1 afternoon and put the dual head units all in the same place.
To me this is a scientific experiment in an experiment you have to have control, which means you mount them ALL in the same spot.
THIS IS BIG TIME BS !!!!!
Jammers was instaled one at the time, exactly same place same bracket, on all instalations ware used bouble levels to make sure install is perfect..
man you dont know what are you talking about...
Thanks for the videos.
Pretty clear that is does work. what im wondering is how did LPP going from JTG almost all the time and LI coming out and just being way better? Seem like last time i was on this forum months ago LPP was doing so great, and now people have mix feelings. I may be wrong, just wondering.
Thanks
The LI always carried with it great anticipation - it was known that both the LPP as well as the AL carried certain weaknesses.
From the GOL testing, only two things can be inferred from the performance of the LPP: either (1) its placement was not optimized (i.e. although it shared the same placement as the other two-head jammers, the specific placement may have favored, unknowingly, one jammer over another) - a systemic error or, (2) that the LPP is simply not "powerful" enough to offer adequate coverage for such a worst-case-scenario test-vehicle.
Both would, as many/most here have agreed, provided such consistent low-distance/short-range PTs.
I don't think that anyone has any mixed feelings - the LPP is still a great jammer, and is considered to be "top-flight" by most, and on-par with its AntiLaser counterpart. However, both of these products' performance as well as price-to-performance claims have been supplanted by the Laser Interceptor.
There are current advantages as well as disadvantages to the purchase of *each* of these three top-flight jammers. It's your unique end-user needs, and perceived benefit ratio, that will dictate which jammer you choose.
thanks understood. that is were I don't know what I neeed haha simply because iv never owned a jammer and its my 1st time buy. im just sick of getting tickets and getting trap in tickets too.
just need something hat will wrk all the time no matter what. if im spending that money and it fails what would be the point.
like u said each has a weaness im just trying to figure what that is. with the LPP its said that it might not work in some cases but that the LI will. also certain guns will not JTG with the LPP but the LI might.
still deciding. but I think its been clear on what I might be getting soon
does the LI have a off switch so when I do get hit and say I am going over. onces I bring my speed down I can turn it off so that theofficer does not get suspicious?
yes...
just go to web and do some search..
there is also search function on this board.. :-)
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