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Considering Blinder's website states the Xtremes jam every gun and in any circumstance I would hope Blinder would upgrade these units for free, much like what Valentine one offers when the flash upgrade.
Demand an upgrade and get it guys
Most people bought the M20 because it was the only jammer that allegedly jammed stealth mode. Now that we know it doesn't something should be done about this. False advertising only gives the advertiser a black eye when the truth is proven.
You're in the truth!!Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster
Re: Different Stealth Modes
WHERE IS MY APOLOGY BLINDER???!!!
When I joined this board 4 months ago I said from the very beginning Blinder didn't jam or detect stealth mode. In return Leon at Blinder USA and his followers tried to paint me as a guy that had "bad blood" and had an agenda. Seems I was right all along and it really doesn't surprise me that Leon hasn't even apologized for smearing my face through the dirt. Leon, you should be ashamed of yourself!
I don't believe there are different stealth modes. Let me explain why....
When I joined this board a while back I had 2 laser atlanta speed lasers.
I had an OLD type R with stealth, like the one Roy had, and then I later got a type S. The type R was black and more then 3 years old!( shown above) Anti-laser bought the older speed laser from me so they could get the stealth mode fix. AntiLaser quickly got the pulse rate of the OLD stealth type R gun and jammed it. Now lets think about this for a minute..... Antilaser got the stealth fix off of the OLD speed laser and they were also able to jam the newer Speed Laser type S! If the pulse rates are different between these two guns why can AntiLaser jam both the type R and S and Blinder can't? Call up Andy at Lidatek and he'll also tell you he got his stealth mode fix off of an older type R as well and his jammer also beats type R and S. What gives? I believe Carl Fors has his facts messed up. Laser Atlanta probably changed the pulse rate of normal operating mode, but stealth mode wasn't changed.
How does stealth mode work?
You can't really change the pulse rate of stealth mode because of the way it's designed to defeat detectors and jammers. Detectors and jammers alert to laser/lidar when it recognizes a pulse train of 3 or more pulses of 904/905 nm laser. In an effort to cut down on laser false alerts, a minimum of 3 pulses must be received before a laser alert is given. If the detectors didn't have this buffer minimum pulse requirement the sun and brake lights would be setting off your detector all the time. Stealth mode is ingenious! It works by sending out only 2 pulses(1 pulse shy of the detector/jammer minimum pulse alert requirement), delays for a fraction of a second, and then it sends out another 2 pulses. The delay in between the set of two pulses is just long enough for the laser detector to reset itself, so it's looking for 3 or more pulses again. This is why stealth mode can't really be changed and that is why I'm calling BS on blinder and Carl Fors. Lidatek and Antilaser both used type R guns to acquire the stealth mode pulse rate and both of these jammers had no problem jamming my type S I sold Roy, the same gun Blinder couldn't jam. Bottom line--- I don't believe the pulse rate changed for stealth, just because of the limited parameters it must work in to defeat detection.
WTF is SML doing at their tests?
If Carl is even telling the truth why was he using an old type R gun for the Blinder tests last year? He says LA allegedly changed the pulse rate, but he still uses an old gun? Sounds to me that Carl purposely used an old gun to favor blinder if what he’s saying is true. You know the parameters stealth mode must work in order to be effective. Stealth mode’s pulse rate wasn’t changed. Regular modes pulse rate was probably changed, not stealth mode.
The single fact that doesn’t make sense with Blinder is can’t jam the Speed Laser S because it’s alleged that the Speed S has a different pulse rate as of a year ago. Lidatek and AntiLaser had OLD type R’s they used to beat stealth. Why can the other jammers beat the type S on the Type R pulse rate? BECAUSE THE GUNS ARE THE SAME AND BLINDER NEVER DID BEAT STEALTH TO BEGIN WITH!
What does Laser Atlanta say about their Speed Lasers?
Go to http://www.laseratlanta.com/files/20...arison_FAQ.pdf to see for yourself there are no differences between a type R and S configuration. The only difference is the casing!
My Beta unit Lidateks DID jam stealth mode with the LA gun that Blinder could not detect nor jam. It jammed it right down to the gun. We tested this on Thursday night (stealthJamal, and Jimbonzzz). I will not say anymore until the results are certified
RIP Duncan my BELOVED black lab son 8/7/99-3/23/11. I will miss you DEARLY.
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LET THE BIRTH OF MANY TESTING GROUPS HAPPEN!
You want to know what it is like doing something for the love and passion and not for the mighty dollar then look up GOL!
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Florida might be a place to be concerned.
The FHP got 35 Laser Atlanta Speed Laser-S guns this year. In 04 they got 75 units from Laser Atlanta, and I don't know the model. Out of approximately 229 laser units, 110 are Laser Atlanta units, 23 are Kustom Signals, and I don't know about the rest.
Whether they use them in Stealth mode or not is another unknown.
:?:
Ed
Laser Atlanta's are also in Ohio.Florida might be a place to be concerned.
The FHP got 35 Laser Atlanta Speed Laser-S guns this year. In 04 they got 75 units from Laser Atlanta, and I don't know the model. Out of approximately 229 laser units, 110 are Laser Atlanta units, 23 are Kustom Signals, and I don't know about the rest.
Whether they use them in Stealth mode or not is another unknown.
:?:
Ed
I know I expect a free upgrade to fix my new in the box M20 I bought a few weeks ago... I bought it with the full expectation that it defeated all types of laser to include LA Stealth. That is what I am asking for and expect is the free fix for my M20... I hope others demand the same. I think this is pretty outrageous and I expect Blinder Dude to be the stand up guy that everyone says he is and go to bat for his customers and fix this problem.
So what will it be Blinder Dude? Are you going to help us out and fix your product? I just want a straight yes or no. And then I want to know when and how.
Longsnowsm
JTW Will the zr3 detect either stelth mode? The other day I went past a brand new HWP car sitting in the middle of rt 10 and nothing went off in my truck. I could not get a clear view of the officerto see if he was shooting or just was setting up. I assumed he was just setting up. This stelth mode makes me wonder if he really was shooting and the zr3 did not pick it up.Laser Atlanta's are also in Ohio.Florida might be a place to be concerned.
The FHP got 35 Laser Atlanta Speed Laser-S guns this year. In 04 they got 75 units from Laser Atlanta, and I don't know the model. Out of approximately 229 laser units, 110 are Laser Atlanta units, 23 are Kustom Signals, and I don't know about the rest.
Whether they use them in Stealth mode or not is another unknown.
:?:
Ed
JTW Will the zr3 detect either stelth mode? The other day I went past a brand new HWP car sitting in the middle of rt 10 and nothing went off in my truck. I could not get a clear view of the officerto see if he was shooting or just was setting up. I assumed he was just setting up. This stelth mode makes me wonder if he really was shooting and the zr3 did not pick it up.The ZR3 does not detect nor jam stealth modeFlorida might be a place to be concerned.
The FHP got 35 Laser Atlanta Speed Laser-S guns this year. In 04 they got 75 units from Laser Atlanta, and I don't know the model. Out of approximately 229 laser units, 110 are Laser Atlanta units, 23 are Kustom Signals, and I don't know about the rest.
Whether they use them in Stealth mode or not is another unknown.
:?:
Ed
Laser Atlanta's are also in Ohio.
RIP Duncan my BELOVED black lab son 8/7/99-3/23/11. I will miss you DEARLY.
http://www.criminalcustomzshop.com/
LET THE BIRTH OF MANY TESTING GROUPS HAPPEN!
You want to know what it is like doing something for the love and passion and not for the mighty dollar then look up GOL!
buyradardetectors rocks!
Around were I live they love to use the ultralight 20/20.In fact thats all I have seen them used.Laser Atlanta's are also in Ohio.Florida might be a place to be concerned.
The FHP got 35 Laser Atlanta Speed Laser-S guns this year. In 04 they got 75 units from Laser Atlanta, and I don't know the model. Out of approximately 229 laser units, 110 are Laser Atlanta units, 23 are Kustom Signals, and I don't know about the rest.
Whether they use them in Stealth mode or not is another unknown.
:?:
Ed
Here is a thread where Leon is on record saying that the Blinder beats LA stealth...
http://www.radardetector.net/viewtop...=laser+atlanta
Like JTW said, when were we suppose to learn that Blinder pulled the stealth jam mode?
Longsnowsm
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