Jammers class b misdemeanor? Texas Federal Law violation?

[tido2012]

When he saw the jammers he pointed and said, "is that a jammer? " to which my friend answered yes.

He then said" we typically seize those and its a class b misdemeanor.

The cop is an idiot. It's a class C (just a fine, no seizure). Also, the bill doesn't go into effect until September.

Yep! They can definitely be used for parking sensors, no sense is throwing $1000 bucks to waste if they are legal in some cities.

[tido2012]

Never post any JTG or JTK on public Utube. Linking any JTG/JTK to this forum is asking for a can of worms. Don't do it!!!

Look for a forum that has taken these issues into consideration. Hint: look down

Yea I can honestly say that anyone posting JTG videos is a dumbass. Anyone doing JTG is a dumbass. To tell the truth what I had read about the ZR4s actually kind of surprised me because I didn't even think they worked. I'm beginning to question a lot lately about forum use. I mean whenever someone posts about install or what to get everyone and their mother has an opinion, granted this doesn't apply to those that are in areas that allow laser jammers. I'm beginning to think that in the next 10 years these things for use as jammers will be banned across the map. Whether they enforce it or not depends on the time available to that department as well as whether they have other duties that they consider more important. I'm friends with a few police officers but in different cities Houston, Dallas, LA, and least importantly San Diego; not much crime in that location ; ) Anyways the info I've gotten from the others is that they have better **** to do than look for a guy with laser jammers considering most of them dont really work and have breakthrough. I personally haven't had problems, I have noticed 3 cops in the past month drive by my car and kinda pause and then they keep driving. I wasn't really concerned about it until recently, although I'm hoping that if the car is off and they are not in use it wont matter. Who knows, times change and so do laws. I mean they're currently targeting apps like TRAPSTER, thats pretty funny. I think its been the best publicity that trapster has had. The reasoning is amazing as well, let me get this straight, you think people that are driving home drunk are responsible enough to flip on trapster and make sure the route they are taking home is not running into any DUI checkpoints??! With that said, no single politician (even those that have actually had a DUI) would even think about opposing this movement. Its a simple and easy target for points/votes. If they really wanted to have an effect they would pour more money into options such as voice recognition for texting for smart phones and non-smart phones. There is not a day I miss without someone going into my lane and when I get to pass them I realize they're playing on the phone.

[tido2012]

Either stealth the install or don't get them, because cops will notice them, esp. the power hungry ones with this new TX law going into effect. I never thought anyone would notice mine except for enthusiasts but I was wrong.

I also have several thoughts on some of the info you'll commonly see here.

To start, the concept of JTG is great. I love performance as much as anyone, but it's impractical for some cases, especially mine. For me, I honestly believe the risk of being harassed would be greatly reduced with a slightly recessed install. It'd still prevent most tickets too.

Some on the board do not understand this. Sh*t, I would have gotten a HP LI and hidden it better. The cost would have been the less considering the ticket pricing.

However, no matter how perfect the setup is, it's still subject to harassment but a power hungry LEO. And subject to the aforementioned ticket.

More work needs to be directed to stealthy installs and performance.

I've been saying this for a very very very long time. But many believe "out in the open, heads extended" type installs are still the way to go. With the jammers installed discreetly, level, and aligned, performance in common and real world encounters will be unchanged. Use the system as designed, jam to kill, and you likely will not have a problem. This jammer law in Texas is likely to infect other regions of our country.

Weeth, sorry to hear about your ordeal. This is the first time that I'm hearing about it. Hope everything worked out dude. Be safe.

I agree, everyone and their mother has a comment about the install and what to buy and how many heads to buy, but not nearly as many comments as to the legality. Hopefully, since this seems to be increasing in popularity (unfortunately), we'll have some sort of breakdown of what the actual laws are and what you can do to protect yourself. This is definitely a good start though, at least people will be more aware of it. Also if you know people that are using them like dumbasses and not shutting off their system and posting videos on youtube then perhaps getting in contact with them and explaining how this is whats leading to these laws to being created. Ever time an idiot JTG (or doesn't shut off their system) you are risking adding one more cop that is going to show up for these meetings where they are trying to pass these laws. The people using jammers is a very small group, if we cant use them appropriately, we will end up causing our own problems.

[tido2012]

I've posted this on another thread, but for those of us who use jammers, I think it is imperative that we know (and apply) our rights and that we don't say / do anything to help the cops. For example, we don't have to tell the cops what those devices are attached to our car...they have the burden of proof!

Also, I totally agree with Weeth, JTG'ing is great as far as bragging rights go, but its totally unnecessary and leads to these types of issues. JTK, just enough to be able to slow down to PSL, is all anyone needs...and all anyone should do. How can they charge you with obstruction / interference when they were actually able to get your speed?

Link to YouTube video below. Its a long video, but very informative and in my opinion, a MUST watch for those of use who use jammers, even in states / provinces where they are legal to own, given the apparent new strategy of charging us with obstruction / interference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

There is plenty of info on this. www.flexyourrights.org is a good site and they have also produced a video...(10 Rules for Dealing With Police)...which can be found on most torrent sites etc.

Knowledge is power...

WOW!

This has all got me really scared. I'm in the NY/CT area mostly any reason I should be concerned with in the northeast? Sorry you guys are taking the heat for this right now.

Yea, I really think that this is going to spread.

[tido2012]

Heh, that's how they got FordFocus awhile back, but he managed to slip out of it (mostly because of outrun.)

Not really sure how it completely interferes, since they are supposed to be able to "get" your speed visually, and should be able to ticket you based on that.

Thankfully I haven't had to deal with this. Also my friend did not receive a ticket for the jammers but he did end up getting a ticket for speeding. I had originally thought he didn't get a speeding ticket either but he told me that he did, I just wanted to post on here as soon as possible since I was interested in the legality associated with this and if anyone else on this forum had any similar experiences.

[tido2012]

I knew it was Irving as soon as I saw DFW as your location. As said, PM Weeth. Yes, they are writing interfering with the duties of a police officer and according to the pathetic excuses for cops named Mark Vincent and Jeff Parsons, they have been successfully convicting. They are a couple of power tripping motocops from Irving who feel as if they are the law(as all motocops do) and were witnesses to HB1116 and SB1376(the two jammer bills). These two fags have been testifying for the bills and blatantly lying at the meetings. Mark Vincent went so far as to say that jammers can interfere with a police laser gun from over 3 miles away and prevent speed readings on vehicles around the jammer equipped car. Of course every politician is an idiot and believed them. I am willing to bet that one of these two fags pulled over your friend. They are pathetic.

Ive been reading all the posts from my phone. I can't believe this ****. I'm guessing there's nothing I can do if it goes to court. Thankfully I don't drive in Irvine. Over 3 miles my ass! I really hope this bull doesn't start catching on in other cities. I'm going to talk to my friend later today, I'm curious to find out whether it was one of them two. This is pathetic, typical politics. I'm guessing they're members of this forum so if you like you can PM me with info. Too bad there's no way to tell who is actually helping them on this forum from who is just another member.


Does anyone know what videos radarrob is talking about? Or what one of the previous forum members meant when he said thank outrun about this? Also, any suggestions as to what to do when you're in this situation?

Wow, I was having a good day until I read this. After getting my blood pressure down a bit, I'll explain this to you.

If your interested in what happened to me, send me a PM like the others have advised. I'm not gonna post it in public forum.

They have a hard on for jammers to start. As Colby described, they went to the the meeting, presented an inaccurate, exaggerated tirade about jammers to put the new law into effect. They succeeded, in getting a unanimous vote while lying to the board members.

But how many of the politicians are gonna dispute the range of a jammer especially when the cop embellishes his proposal with jargon such as "emitting pulsing diodes?"

I wouldn't be so naive in thinking it won't happen to you. Either stealth the install or don't get them, because cops will notice them, esp. the power hungry ones with this new TX law going into effect. I never thought anyone would notice mine except for enthusiasts but I was wrong.

For the fifth time, PM me for more info on this whole situation.

I also have several thoughts on some of the info you'll commonly see here.

To start, the concept of JTG is great. I love performance as much as anyone, but it's impractical for some cases, especially mine. For me, I honestly believe the risk of being harassed would be greatly reduced with a slightly recessed install. It'd still prevent most tickets too.

Some on the board do not understand this. Sh*t, I would have gotten a HP LI and hidden it better. The cost would have been the less considering the ticket pricing.

Another thing I recommend is look for stories like these before getting a LI. The US map where there legal is deceptive; cities have penal codes against them such as Irving. The manufactures fail to mention this. Whenever anyone comes on looking for jammers, people think LI + JTG. That's ideal; the perfect setup! I was thrilled to have mine that way and several enthusiasts and I invested lots of time and effort testing and perfecting it.

However, no matter how perfect the setup is, it's still subject to harassment but a power hungry LEO. And subject to the aforementioned ticket.

My point is consider your cops, cities, driving environment, verified stories and backdoor laws before jumping into the ideal LI + JTG setup, because there are a few places (i.e.f**king irving) where it's detrimental and expensive.

More work needs to be directed to stealthy installs and performance.

I'll look for the video if I can find it. Before my time on RD.net, Outrun and a dude with a focus JTG'd a cop several times and got stopped for it. Inconsiderate and not smart at all. (i.e. trying to make a few sales on jammers, while making them illegal in the long run)

I agree with you man, the whole JTG thing is overdone but more importantly I think its the appropriate use of the jammers. If someone doesn't shut them off when they're speeding is asking for it. Does it mean that you deserve it, no. Are you increasing your chances of getting a ticket, yes. People need to realize what they are doing when they keep driving like an idiot because they have jammers and "cant get a ticket since they dont know my speed".

[tido2012]

The cop is an idiot. It's a class C (just a fine, no seizure). Also, the bill doesn't go into effect until September.

The jammer law is a class c misdemeanor. Interfering with public duties is a class b misdemeanor. Nowhere in the code do I see the officer given the right to seize the jammer though.

Sec. 38.15.  INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES.  (a)  A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:
(1)  a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;
(2)  a person who is employed to provide emergency medical services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the person is performing that duty;
(3)  a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a fire or investigating the cause of a fire;
(4)  an animal under the supervision of a peace officer, corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative purposes;
(5)  the transmission of a communication over a citizen's band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or inquire about an emergency;
(6)  an officer with responsibility for animal control in a county or municipality, while the officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted under Chapter 821 or 822, Health and Safety Code; or
(7)  a person who:
(A)  has responsibility for assessing, enacting, or enforcing public health, environmental, radiation, or safety measures for the state or a county or municipality;
(B)  is investigating a particular site as part of the person's responsibilities under Paragraph (A);
(C)  is acting in accordance with policies and procedures related to the safety and security of the site described by Paragraph (B); and
(D)  is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted under the Agriculture Code, Health and Safety Code, Occupations Code, or Water Code.
(b)  An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
(c)  It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.
(d)  It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of speech only.
(e)  In this section, "emergency" means a condition or circumstance in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or destruction.

Added by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 1162, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989.  Renumbered from Penal Code Sec. 38.16 by Acts 1990, 71st Leg., 6th C.S., ch. 12, Sec. 2(26), eff. Sept. 6, 1990.  Renumbered from Penal Code Sec. 38.18 and amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.  Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 30.241, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
Amended by: 
Acts 2005, 79th Leg., Ch. 1212, Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2005.
Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1251, Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2007.

Cool, I really appreciate this and you posting this to inform us. This is a good start, we need to inform our members.

[Wannago]

If threads like this don't motiveate the Laser Tamer guys to get their product into production...would be nice to be able to mount these things VERY discreetly.

I was thinking about buying the PA/Jam switch for my LI from Cliff. That way if I get pulled over and hassled about the LI heads, I can prove they are "only" parking aids...by showing him that with the unit turned on, how they beep when he stands infront of them, and also how if he shoots his Lidar at my car there is no alert etc.

Of course, this switch would defiinintely have to be well hidden

[function12]

So, if the law passes what are you going to do?
Keep them and just no JTG (which is what you should do in the first place).
Move them to fleabay.

[tido2012]

It's sounds like it's not a question about it passing or not.