3M headlight protection film and Veil...

[anthonys]

Hello - I have 3M headlight protection film on my car's headlights. A few questions:

• Does this afford any protection from LIDAR by reducing reflections?
• If not, can I apply Veil directly to the film?

Thanks!

[snoopyc4]

No. Your film or veil will not be enough to save you from police laser. You need to get a laser jammer. What vehicle do you drive?

[anthonys]

2002 Subaru WRX. I'm holding off on a laser jammer as I'll be buying a new car this summer and will install the jammer on it. In the meantime, I want a bit more protection than my STI Driver can give me, so I'll be Veiling the front license plate directly and was wondering what to do with the headlights since they have the 3M on them.

Any problems with me Veiling the license plate directly instead of a license plate cover?

[Stealth Stalker]

Don't waste your time or money, and read the FAQ. Without a jammer, all the Veil in the world won't help you.

[snoopyc4]

Any problems with me Veiling the license plate directly instead of a license plate cover?

Yes. Doing this will give you a false sense of security. It won't save you from laser. Trust me. Here is an analogy for you: veiling your plate and relying on this to protect you from laser is like wearing only a t-shirt to protect yourself from bullets. It will provide no protection.

[Stealth Stalker]

But hey, a t-shirt gives "a bit more protection", doesn't it? Shouldn't it be enough to give him a couple of seconds before the bullet punches through?

[anthonys]

Thanks for the feedback - do I read your replies correctly in that I should skip Veil altogether and use only the jammer?

[snoopyc4]

do I read your replies correctly in that I should skip Veil altogether and use only the jammer?

Yes.

[Stealth Stalker]

A jammer and then Veil. Both are part of an in-depth defence system. But without a jammer, Veil is pointless. You have to take things in a logical order.

[Veil Guy]

anthonys,

In typical RD.NET tradition, those were some extremely harsh opinions provided to you.

While a jammer + Veil combination is certainly the best and most sound approach, to suggest that using Veil alone is 'pointless,' as a completely all encompassing statement, is just factually incorrect.

The relative effectiveness of a Veil only application is primarily dependent upon the vehicle being protected. With passive (ie; stealth) technology, things like shape and color play a huge part.

Certainly there are cars that benefit to a greater degree than others and your mileage will vary.

There are a number of forum members that have quite a bit of success with Veil only and a detector. You can read about some of them here.

Here's a video that Happya$$ (Steve of GoL) made with his personal vehicle and Veil only against an LTI Ultralyte. I suspect Steve would disagree with the above assertions as blanket statements.

http://www.youtube.com/veilguy#p/u/10/jdeIj1KKL0w

Is Veil absolutely 100% effective at defeating laser? Hardly. But on the other hand, it certainly is not 100% ineffective, either. History has shown this. Just ask Victor, Sethy, Happy@$$--individuals who have actually used the product in the real-world, against real speed traps.

Can Veil give you a false sense of security? I don't know. Does driving with a radar detector give one a false sense of security versus IO police radar? Does driving with a laser jammer that doesn't provide JTG/JFG protection in every instance provide a false sense of security?

I guess it is ultimately up to the driver to understand the strengths and limitations of any countermeasure solution and then drive within those constraints. And, not everyone can afford a $500-$2500 piece of electronics + cost of installation.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

Veil Guy