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    Default Re: Veil or Film?

    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerator View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 904nm View Post
    ...The films you will find out there that block or absorb light in the police laser spectrum are typically designed to reduced heat and IR damage to buildings and car interiors.
    That's exactly what I was looking on. And I came up with another thought. If IR films stops heat, then Veil keeps heat inside headlights too, which can be dangerous for powerful aftermarket HID, I'm wrong?
    No,Veil doesn't block infrared wavelengths that a longer which are closer to microwaves which are thermal IR. Shorter wavelengths are closer to visible light or "near IR" such as your remote control/police laser which are not hot or thermal. If you put Veil on a piece of glass between your food and a infrared light "heat" lamp your food will get hot. Films and foils are designed for the longer IR microwave wavelengths. Veil is an ink/dye for blocking short IR micron wavelengths.

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    Also keep in mind that films that block IR may not necessarily block IR in the police lidar spectrum. You need to get the spec sheet from the manufacturer to check the spectrum it covers and % it aborsbs/blocks.

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    Ok, thank you guys. Does anybody know police lidar spectrum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerator View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 904nm View Post
    ...The films you will find out there that block or absorb light in the police laser spectrum are typically designed to reduced heat and IR damage to buildings and car interiors.
    That's exactly what I was looking on. And I came up with another thought. If IR films stops heat, then Veil keeps heat inside headlights too, which can be dangerous for powerful aftermarket HID, I'm wrong?
    I think we might be confusing IR with UV here. Veil operates on IR, not the UV that damages your car's interior. It's also important to distinguish between 'blocking' IR and 'absorbing' IR. Most tint films work by reflecting the unwanted light so that it never passes through the glass. We don't want to reflect IR, we want to absorb it.

    The most important thing to know is that Veil has been tested many times by forum members, and is proven to help. I don't know if anyone has actually tested the film you are referring to, so I don't know if it will help at all.

    Finally, be sure to compliment your Veil install with a set of laser jammers. Veil offers some protection at long distances, but will most likely not save you up close. Combine Veil with a set of jammers, and you can worry much less about laser and more on IO radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerator View Post
    Ok, thank you guys. Does anybody know police lidar spectrum?
    See my user name.
    Laser Wavelength typically: 904nm +/- 10 nm



    Good points Switch. I did a few tests with a film that blocked a high percentage of the IR in the police spectrum. It was not very effective. I think part of the problem was that it was reflecting a good amount back. While you can make a film specifically designed to absorb the IR, it was cost prohibitive to do a run of the film due to the relatively small market for it. Us speeders would only need very little of the film in contrast to how much film is used in commercial applications. My guess is that what you will find for sale out there is not purpose formulated to absorb police IR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 904nm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Accelerator View Post
    Ok, thank you guys. Does anybody know police lidar spectrum?
    See my user name.
    Laser Wavelength typically: 904nm +/- 10 nm



    Good points Switch. I did a few tests with a film that blocked a high percentage of the IR in the police spectrum. It was not very effective. I think part of the problem was that it was reflecting a good amount back. While you can make a film specifically designed to absorb the IR, it was cost prohibitive to do a run of the film due to the relatively small market for it. Us speeders would only need very little of the film in contrast to how much film is used in commercial applications. My guess is that what you will find for sale out there is not purpose formulated to absorb police IR.
    Thanks, probably you right...

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    Veil guy, please clear your PM inbox. I tried PM'ing you, and it bounced back, saying your mailbox was full.

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    Also, did you ever consider coming up with G4 as a vehicle wrap/"clear bra", rather than a paint/spray on film?

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    I wanted to adapt an IR absorbing film for that exact purpose too but it was going to cost way too much to make a custom run of the film. Something like the 3m aero guard with IR absorbing compound would be very nice. Time and money was in short supply to pursue it further.

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