NY Speed Trap Regulations?

[bigwood212]

My father just said its the same as me parking my car in someones driveway i dont know. He said if they went around doing this there would be a million complaints and eventually a cop car would be parked in some black dudes driveway and theyd sue them or something. LOL. He said hes never seen it done. Hes retired NYPD. I also havent seen it done before. And when i was in the borderpatrol we werent even aloud on someones property unless we were chasing someone because they said it was a violation of someones reasonable expectations of privacy.

[R.J.]

Unfortunately, we don't get breaks on traffic offenses here in the city. No plea bargains or DA to chat with before you're hearing. You're either guilty or not guilty and it's nothing more than a kangaroo court system designed to push as many customers through as quickly as possible.[/QUOTE]

Making stuff up. I just got a ticket for 80 in a 55 on the LIE. I faxed in my not guilty plea and they mailed me plea for "improper right turn" all i had to do was sign it and fax it in. I didnt even need to talk to anyone. This was the reason I joined this forum and got a radar detector recently. I also got a parking ticket and all you have to do is click not guilty online and the next screen offers you a half price reduction in fee. Maybe you didnt get an offer because you have a bad record.[/QUOTE]

I'm making stuff up? How did you get a 20 over ticket (6 points - serious offense) reduced to an improper right turn without even showing up to court? You're required to appear or have a lawyer represent you.

Parking tickets are not moving violations.

[afterlifespecialist]

"They have actually been sitting there for as long as I can remember, since the 80s.

My first real detection on a radar detector was in Richville. I remember buying it at Radio Shack in Malone."


Yeah, everytime I go back up that way (gf is from Moira) to visit the "inlaws", I always check that spot first. Apparently, because of the steady flow of new kids up that way, they must not need to change things up. LOL over 20 years they've been using that spot, just amazing. Hell at that point, were the trees on the each side of the driveway even there in the 80's?

[afterlifespecialist]

I think they do because it is private property. Same with a business. You would be crazy to not let them. Say no and they just might remember your vehicle and face. Say yes and they just remember your vehicle and face. 50/50 They are just doing their job, keeping speeds down in residential areas.

I know the place I work at, the police sit underneath our carport at night. I don't agree with it, but I know the boss lets them because they patrol the building at night and keep an eye on things.
I was at a business in the Syracuse area about a month ago where the town police were hiding behind a shrub line shooting traffic. The business owner wasn't aware of it until they came out to meet me. At seeing the police, the business owner asked the officer what he was doing, in which he responded "oh just watching traffic.". The business owner then told him that if he was just watching traffic then he was fine, but if he was using their parking lot as a speed trap then "get the hell out of here" were her exact words to him. He promptly left.

[bigwood212]

[QUOTE/]

I'm making stuff up? How did you get a 20 over ticket (6 points - serious offense) reduced to an improper right turn without even showing up to court? You're required to appear or have a lawyer represent you.

Parking tickets are not moving violations.[QUOTE/]

Nope not required cause i didnt. I just sent in the ticket with the box checked not guilty. They sent me back a letter offering it reduced to "IMP RT TRN" Fine was $225. But yea never went to court. I assume they reviewed my history and made an offer simple as that. I had no past history. The paper they sent me said there was a time limit and if i didnt respond i would be given a court date. this was 6/7/09. Maybe you havent had a ticket in a while.

[bigwood212]

I think they do because it is private property. Same with a business. You would be crazy to not let them. Say no and they just might remember your vehicle and face. Say yes and they just remember your vehicle and face. 50/50 They are just doing their job, keeping speeds down in residential areas.

I know the place I work at, the police sit underneath our carport at night. I don't agree with it, but I know the boss lets them because they patrol the building at night and keep an eye on things.
I was at a business in the Syracuse area about a month ago where the town police were hiding behind a shrub line shooting traffic. The business owner wasn't aware of it until they came out to meet me. At seeing the police, the business owner asked the officer what he was doing, in which he responded "oh just watching traffic.". The business owner then told him that if he was just watching traffic then he was fine, but if he was using their parking lot as a speed trap then "get the hell out of here" were her exact words to him. He promptly left.

HAHA I love that.

[chainsmoker11]

Making stuff up. I just got a ticket for 80 in a 55 on the LIE. I faxed in my not guilty plea and they mailed me plea for "improper right turn" all i had to do was sign it and fax it in. I didnt even need to talk to anyone. This was the reason I joined this forum and got a radar detector recently. I also got a parking ticket and all you have to do is click not guilty online and the next screen offers you a half price reduction in fee. Maybe you didnt get an offer because you have a bad record.

Easy there killer, he is not making stuff up. Rochester, Buffalo and a few smaller cities are the same way.

"Noncriminal traffic tickets are addressed by the local city, town, or village criminal courts in most of New York state (find your local courthouse), but in New York City, Buffalo, Rochester, or the towns of Babylon, Brookhaven, Huntington, Islip, or Smithtown in Suffolk County, you will interface instead with the Department of Motor Vehicles' Traffic Violations Bureau (TVB).

Instead of appearing before a judge in the above-mentioned areas, you'll have your case heard by a DMV administrative law judge, who has the authority to determine guilt and set fines. Criminal traffic violations such as DWI or reckless driving will still be addressed by the local criminal courts in these areas."

found here: New York Traffic Tickets - NY DMV Traffic Violation Guide - DMV Guide

It really is a kangaroo court and if I had the time and money it would be one of the first things I would push to the fullest.

[Matt]

I got at ticket in Jefferson County a few years back, all I had to do was call the D.A.'s office. They sent me a form which asked if I had any tickets in their county, and mail it back along with the ticket marking guilty. In return it ended up being $50.00 and no point. The kicker-do not get a ticket in their county for 2 years or the original ticket will be reinstated..... It has to do with how resonable it is for you to travel back to their county to face a judge.

[samq45]

"They have actually been sitting there for as long as I can remember, since the 80s.

My first real detection on a radar detector was in Richville. I remember buying it at Radio Shack in Malone."


Yeah, everytime I go back up that way (gf is from Moira) to visit the "inlaws", I always check that spot first. Apparently, because of the steady flow of new kids up that way, they must not need to change things up. LOL over 20 years they've been using that spot, just amazing. Hell at that point, were the trees on the each side of the driveway even there in the 80's?

Brushton-Moria "Crossroads of the world"? Been a while sice I have driven through there, rarely make to west of Malone any more.

I got a ticket there once when I was 17 and the ADA at the time gave me an AOCD (conditional discharge) and the Justist at the Time (ester something) wrote me and the trooper the most nasty letter I have ever seen.

There were a few small trees there but not on each side. the trees were on the east sde of the driveway if I rember corectly and they could hide prety well.

[R.J.]

[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, we don't get breaks on traffic offenses here in the city. No plea bargains or DA to chat with before you're hearing. You're either guilty or not guilty and it's nothing more than a kangaroo court system designed to push as many customers through as quickly as possible.[/QUOTE]

Making stuff up. I just got a ticket for 80 in a 55 on the LIE. I faxed in my not guilty plea and they mailed me plea for "improper right turn" all i had to do was sign it and fax it in. I didnt even need to talk to anyone. This was the reason I joined this forum and got a radar detector recently. I also got a parking ticket and all you have to do is click not guilty online and the next screen offers you a half price reduction in fee. Maybe you didnt get an offer because you have a bad record.[/QUOTE]

Well, after some research, I don't know how you were able to get your fines and points reduced from the traffic violation bureau. A simple search through Google " TVB no plea bargain" turns up numerous information that basically states the same thing; no plea bargaining or point reductions in NYC upon conviction.

From: New York Speeding Ticket

The New York Traffic Violations Bureau (or TVB) adjudicates moving violations, including New York speeding ticket, in the five Boroughs of New York City, the Cities of Buffalo and Rochester, and the Towns of Babylon, Brookhaven, Islip, Riverhead and Smithtown in Western Suffolk County. If you receive a New York speeding ticket in these areas, you have an uphill battle. The TVB is not a real traffic court but rather and administrative agency. There are many rules which make it difficult for motorist who contest a summons. For example, you cannot plea bargain your case, you have no right to discovery, you are not entitled to a supporting deposition and hearsay evidence is admissible. Indeed, according to a recent report, the Traffic Violations Bureau is required to maintain a 65% New York speeding ticket conviction rate in order to maintain revenues. The only positive is that the Administrative Law Judge does not have the power of incarceration so you cannot end up in jail. Here is the link to the official TVB site: New York Traffic Ticket Violations Bureau

From: How to Fight a Traffic Ticket Questions and Answers | NY Ticket Help

Can I simply pay a fine but get no points or reduced points?
In the local courts, reductions are possible. Most cases are reduced via plea bargain.

A point reduction in the TVB is not a possibility. There is no plea bargaining. Either you pay the ticket and plead guilty to the original charge or you plead “not guilty” and have a hearing. The outcome of any hearing on any individual ticket will always be “all” (guilty with the points and fine that come with the ticket) or “nothing” (no points, no fine). No judge or DMV official can “waive” the points. They come attached to the particular violation. This is a TVB policy. If you or a friend went to court and were offered a reduction on a traffic ticket it was absolutely not in the TVB.

I suppose anything is possible, but would you mind sharing how you were able to "plea" down your charges in a NYC traffic court?