(some) PND’s banned in Switzerland

[StlouisX50]

Since January 10th this year, it has become illegal to use a PND in Switzerland, to warn of safety cameras and mobile speed surveillance locations.

The Swiss police are currently actively searching for navigational systems with any type of camera pre-warning that are being used while driving. When such a device is found, the device is confiscated and destroyed and the motorist can also expect a fine. Not only has the use of these warning devices been banned, but their production, import or sale has also become illegal. Swiss road authority ASTRA announced these measures on January 8th.

Commotion
This legislation has led to a lot of commotion and questions in both Switzerland and abroad. Owners of PND’s want to know exactly which units are now outlawed, and under what conditions the new measures can be enforced.
In short: the regulations apply to all systems, of all types which can enable speed camera warnings.
ASTRA has released a document with answers to frequently asked questions.

As if things weren’t bad enough, the Swiss government have already ordered shopkeepers to stop selling the navigational systems that now appear to be illegal. Retailers have received a list of banned systems, which includes devices by TomTom, Garmin, Mio, Navman, Medion, Route66, Packard Bell, Sony and ViaMichelin where the camera positions are included. Investigations are currently underway to determine whether these new rules are actually legal under the Swiss justice system.

TomTom sent us the following reaction:

“We are aware that the Federal Highways Department (ASTRA) has issued a statement related to GPS navigation and safety camera alerts.
However, TomTom develops all of its products and services with ease of use and safety as a priority and we believe that our safety camera solution enhances road safety and security in Switzerland. We believe our safety camera services are fully legal to use and to sell. As a matter of course however, we are working with ASTRA to fully understand their view on the current legal situation.”

Beware
Foreigners on holiday in Switzerland, or who are merely passing through the country, will now have to be very careful. The use of navigational devices itself has not been made illegal, nor have systems which can determine the position of speed cameras. It’s just that this data cannot be used when on Swiss soil, and the navigational system may not contain data on cameras.

Word is that the Swiss government are unlikely to stop at just this. Publishing camera locations via other methods such as the internet, radio and text-services will also be outlawed soon.

[proudNMAmember]

Wow, what next SLX50?

[SmaartAasSaabr]

Yeah this is the next step. First most of Europe banned radardetector and started putting photo radar everywhere. GPS was always legal. Now GPS is banned! Just evil. But handily, it is also impossible to enforce :twisted:

[GTO_04]

Yeah this is the next step. First most of Europe banned radardetector and started putting photo radar everywhere. GPS was always legal. Now GPS is banned! Just evil. But handily, it is also impossible to enforce :twisted:

That won't stop them from trying to enforce it. They could use checkpoints, just like they have seatbelt and DUI checkpoints here. They can check cars while in parking lots too. If they can see a banned GPS.......busted! If they're considering banning any publication of the camera locations in any medium, they probably don't have much in the way of a constitution.

Why don't they just raise taxes if they need the money that bad? They're already used to being heavily taxed!

GTO_04

[SmaartAasSaabr]

No it's not the GPS that is banned only the locations of the cameras. Just load a list of the cameras, and put a handy "delete" button. 8)

[GTO_04]

No it's not the GPS that is banned only the locations of the cameras. Just load a list of the cameras, and put a handy "delete" button. 8)

I understand that. But they have to "interpret" which GPS devices have the capability to display the camera locations, or actually have camera locations available in them. Is it enforeceable? As a practical matter no. But that won't prevent them from trying to enforce it.

Based on what I have read here, the law does not specify how it is determined that a device is in violation? Is it a published list? Or do they inpsect it and try to call up camera locations? It seems there is a lot of room for interpretation here, hence much opportunity for abuse!

GTO_04

[proudNMAmember]

Sounds like such a stupid idea for a govt to do GTO.