laser(infrared) abosrbing film maybe?

[Stealth Stalker]

What did you cover with the film, and where were you aiming with the guns?

Were the guns on a tripod, or freehand?

[languy99]

What did you cover with the film, and where were you aiming with the guns?

Were the guns on a tripod, or freehand?

Covered all of the lights; headlights, corner markers and turn signals.

I was not aiming the guns, Alpine was and from what he told me on the jammers off he got 479 ft center and jammers on he got 375 ft on the headlight (no tint). I think he was trying to do his best to get a punch through. He was also doing the start/stop technique with the gun.

It was resting on the car door.

[Eloi]

Languy ,

I would risk this answer :

The greatest problem is the reflection at the coating
interface :
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It only takes few molecules thick to return or absorb the ir

Ref.http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...icle-read.html

[alpinestars_2002795]

The thing is though, that it takes a "Series" of Pulses to return to the gun to attain a speed on a lidar gun. Thats the thing your neglecting to also put into perspective. One "range" reading alone is not enough to give a lidar gun a "Speed" reading. You may get distance. Although distance isn't going to get you a ticket . Thankfully.

Why you ask? And yes I know you think i'm crazy, but do remember who found that article. So read on more please.

Ask languy about my car he'll tell you. Even with my jammers not firing he couldn't get me.

Why? Passive technologies.

Heres the thing.

The Gun "HAS to get a [Series] of pulses back throughout the reading cycle."

This series allows the Gun to see a "Change" in distance, which then the gun can "Calculate" as speed.

With a substance as such as Languy is using which I have seen with my own eyes. . And let me tell you guy's it works. But here is how.





As you can see yes some pulses may be "Reflected" being the proper term. Although this is very unimportant to us. Because often times a lidar gun will take atleast 60 distance readings before imposing a speed reading. Even though only two are honestly needed. Although, they choose to take more distance readings for their anti panning software they brag about, not to mention it is more accuret to take a average over a larger group of numbers. Than to take an average of two or three readings. Thus which is makes lidar so much more accuret, and "WHY" it is so difficult to fight in court.

Now, do remember though that the lidar pulses are moving at the Speed of light which is roughly 300 million meters per second.

Meaning Will this buy you time, you bet. Will it give you perfect results? NO! It is by no means a "total" alternative to a jammer etc. Although it will drastically aid a jammer for what it perhaps "Can't see." Or. Perhaps aid it in prefoming to JTG or JFG type of performance. The results didn't suprise me as most Effective Passive Countermeasures i've seen typically only make it to roughly 400 or 500ft before you get punch through. Reason being is the lidar is finally powerfull enough to evade this sheath and thus gets enough return pulses to make ends meet.

The figures for passive measures I stated above are laser Veil.

Now, from what i've seen the stuff languy had on his car, was actually "MORE" effective than laser veil. Also more consistent in providing absoroption. Which it was nice to see maybe an alternative to laser veil since it's way steep price, and multipule reapplications it requires. Not to mention, it's always good it seems for the "Consumer" in a market that has competition. Thats the beauty of "Free Enterprise" I guess?

As for it working it definetly works. I've been doing such things for years. Hence why nobody can ever get readings on my cars.

Yet they still wonder why they receive 200-400ft PT's.

It's quite simple, passive techology is out there. It works, It works well, and always will. It might be the one thing we have going for us against these New "Tight" beamed lasers such as the TruSpeed lidar with it's beam being 2.5 milirands, as oposed to the LZ1 which is 3 milirands. Even though the LZ1 was a good test as it is a Gen 3 lidar and difficult to jam, as well as the PL2 it is difficult to jam as well, and has outstanding optics.

There were times yesterday where my LI's didn't even pick up the LZ1 being fired at them. Two run's back to back. Yet, my passive protection saved me 100percent. JTG.

Which Languy can vouch for.

As for green being a horrible color for lidar. That it is. Hence why my car is forrest green. For some reason green is horrible to lidar. I think it is just black to a lidar gun for some reason? Probably the difference in the IR color pallet as opposed to the Visiable light spectrum.

The reason the gun never gets a reading even though passive technology isn't 100 percent yes as you stated.

Is.

The gun might send out this, - - - - - - then it hits the surface in question coated with IR absorbing material that languy has and it does this back - big space - big space - big space - . Which is why when you guy's viewed that video that someone put up BTW Great video of it. The light goes Dim and almost not even visible on IR cam when it hit the Green dye. This is because there is so much less light coming back at the camera. Hence it's being "Absorbed." Meaning passive technologies work. They always have, and have for centeries, why do you think blackhawk helecopters are Flat black? Good point huh? This comes from someone who was U.S. Army Infantry for 3 years and used lasers on a regular basis to kill tanks roughly 3,750 meters out. Do the math thats, 12,303.75 ft.
There is only 5,280ft in one mile. So thats, 2.33 miles.


AlPiNe~

[languy99]

UPDATE: I just talked to the manufacturer of the film and they said they can customize the level of IR absorbing and the level of light transmittance.

PRICE: I cannot give you guys a real figure yet on price per square foot but let me tell you, it's very, very competitive.

[Lucky225]

UPDATE: I just talked to the manufacturer of the film and they said they can customize the level of IR absorbing and the level of light transmittance.

PRICE: I cannot give you guys a real figure yet on price per square foot but let me tell you, it's very, very competitive.

904nm

[languy99]

I messaged them about getting the film working in that range(900-910nm), while transmitting as much visible light as possible. So I will have to wait to see what they say.

I am also working with another company trying to develop another product.

[djrams80]

Until someone puts it on a car and shoots it, we'll won't know how effective this is, or even if it is effective at all. But, as always, choices is good for the consumer.

[languy99]

Until someone puts it on a car and shoots it, we'll won't know how effective this is, or even if it is effective at all. But, as always, choices is good for the consumer.

we did that yesterday, check a one page back.

[djrams80]

we did that yesterday, check a one page back.

Missed that, sorry. I think we might need more testing than that though.