For all of us Veil lovers here is the new look
Veil G4 Sneak Peek (PICs)
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For all of us Veil lovers here is the new look
Veil G4 Sneak Peek (PICs)
Isn't posting that link a rule violation?!Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
BTW, the pictures show that Veil is finally not relying heavily on diffusion (e.g. lasershield / 3m tape) and is relying on REAL IR blocking (e.g. selective ceramic tint).
Wow, it looks like the headlights have been heavily tinted...very sexy!
I can't wait, this is going to look great on my car! :D
Can we please get an ETA?
I do not see why since they are not selling anything on that site that competes with radarbustersQuote:
Originally Posted by ahmadr
JDS,
That was the "look" we were striving for with Generation IV.
One of our design goals was to overcome reservations, by some, to apply Veil to their high-end vehicle(s).
We're shooting for a limited release in a matter of weeks through, our two primary authorized US online dealers, one of which, of course is RadarBusters (who, incidentally, is listed on STH).
Veil Guy :cool:
looks good
Looks real good - can you tell us how many coats is that?
One thick coatQuote:
Originally Posted by Super Dave
OK, I'll bite on this as well. :D
The new "clarity" is a huge improvement (via the photos) - maybe slightly too dark for my tastes, but heck, anything that'll help cut LIDAR return is something I'm interested in, particularly with my own thoughts towards "complete circle of protection" and "synergy." :)
I'd be willing to slap on a coat, and at least see if the compromises to lighting capabilities, by my own interpretation/standards, is acceptable.
:)
Question - Any long-term testing of whether or not this will leave residue/staining on polycarb lenses? Any noted issues between "adherence" to glass versus polycarb/plastics?
Oh hell no you know what you have done Allen you have made me start from scratch on the stealth wars to reclaim the #1 spot. RacerX is no longer my target YOU are :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
Is the new version going to be the same price? Thanks!
how bad is light output affected?
Super Dave,
I think we're holding the line on price.
TSi+WRX & whiterabbit05,
One coat that is.
Given that G4's clarity is improved, I haven't notice any reduction of night illumination, just a slight more bluish-violet color tone to the lights and from the rear-view mirror, the lights on my wife's car appears like the color temperature of Xenons instead of the yellowing color of conventional Halogens.
Since clarity is an order of magnitude improved over our previous version(s), the color/tint has much less impact on light output or beam dispersion patterns (than the diffusing nature).
The appearance of lightness or darkness is very dependent upon the nature of the light housing.
Veil Guy :cool:
You're gonna be shocked one day when I turn up, completely invisible, more stealth than any of you can ever imagine. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
My mustang has the current version of Veil on it. My headlight lens covers and fog lights are plastic. I would be afraid to try to remove the Veil for fear of what my current light covers might look like when I was done. The newer Veil looks much more appealing, but for fear of ruining my current lights, I would be inclined to avoid it. Any advice Veil Guy?
A little unsolicited advice here...I can't tell you whether you SHOULD remove it or not, but if you do, I'd suggest picking up a bottle of Goof Off solvent. I tested a number of solvents for removing Veil and all of the other ones worked very slowly...I wouldn't want to expose a coating to them for a long time, but they certainly weren't efficient at removing it. The Goof Off, however, ate right through the Veil.
I was just going to wetsand my Veil application off.
The new gen looks really good, BTW. Something that would actually look good on an expensive car. Hmm, I was thinking about tinting my fog lights, but this... :)
Question, Veil Guy.
How blue/purple are we talking about? Do you have any Kelvin temp color approximations? (As in 6000K-8000K blue?)
JDS
Hmm...I never have tried that material.
I have read here that some have been successful with Windex (pretty mild).
I, myself have used ammonia/rubbing alcohol for years and have applied and removed countless applications of Veil on my vehicles without incident.
One thing I would caution, though, if light housings are already extremely weathered (ie; UV damaged resulting in cloudiness and haziness) I would suggest that one tries Veil section first, if there are any potential concerns, as the nature of such damaged headlight housing is already compromised.
With G4, one may think of Veil as a light protector since we filter UV as well. This should go a long way to diminishing the potential for such things.
If you look carefully at a lot of vehicles you'll see many headlight housings are very yellow, cloudy/opaque. This is primarily due to the composition of the housing material and the lack of manufacturing materials to protect from UV exposure.
I like to think of Veil G4 as a "sun-screen" for the such headlight systems that happens to absorb police lidar, as well. :wink:
We're continually designing/developing new materials to make Veil more friendly to use (on vehicles) and in the environment.
Veil Guy :cool:
ELVATO,
Not at this time.
The appearance of blue/violet varies from one vehicle to another.
On my sister's Honda, its not as noticeable because of the shape of the headlight. On my Bimmer, its a bit more noticeable in the twilight hours but not quite as much during the high-time of the day.
We intentionally made it enough of this shade to make the appearance at night enough that conventional headlight don't appear yellow/warm...but more cool violet/blue.
It's not as blue/violet as a 7K temp system or something that appears on a Merc SLK with BiXenons, but we think more so, than say Silvania's Cool Blue headlight housings.
We had received repeated requests, from a number SEMA show attendances, that such an appearance would be [very] desired by the younger "tuner" crowd.
I personally, love the appearance of G4, but you guys will be the [ultimate] decision makers...
All I can say now, is that we are hopeful that you'll be pleased with it.
Veil Guy :cool:
happya$$ - That's too funny! :lol: I'm not stealth at-all - my two huge rear canisters belie the fact that I do, occasionally, REALLY speed..... :oops:
The VEIL Guy - Thank you for your replies! Sign me up. I'm sold. I'm definitely going to try my best to get one of the batches of the G4 VEIL. :D
How does it affect cars with HID? The light reduction in the previous gen. is what kept me a mile and a half away from Veil. Any improvements in this regard?
Thanks!
Sorry but any police car in my area is going to pull over ANYONE with headlights that dark. that is WAY too obvious and I will not be buying veil now. I'd rather just put a third laser jammer sensor on the front of my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
His BMW headlights are dark to begin with. Once I get a hold of G4 I will take before and after pics of my headlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
Ugh. Is there anyway you can just make a clear version that does not change what the headlights look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
Sounds like the people who were interested were mainly ricers trying to make their cars look like BMWs for $100. Figures. :roll:
Oh hell no I am sure many would prefer some type of cool look than the boring clear look. You need tasteQuote:
Originally Posted by noTe
i would prefer clear as well. while our tastes may differ, we all want to be stealth. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
Ok maybe I will put up a poll just to see what the outcome would beQuote:
Originally Posted by lacning74
I paid $300 for the real lights. Function over looks for any part on my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
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My vote would be for clear: No headlight performance loss, no looking like BoyRiceRacer, max stealth for when the LEO is trying to figure out why he couldn't get a reading.
Veil Guy: Just go ahead and develop it in Clear, Smoke, Grey, Dark, heck even red, white and blue. :D
Given the choice of clear vs G4, I'd probably take clear...but the G4 is certainly better than the previous generation.
Sadly, I will never buy anything that isn't clear over my headlights.
I like my HID's...
Interestingly enough...I think it's safe to say that ppl who drive cars with HID generally drive more "recent" cars (unless modded of course), and would spend more $$ to stay away from LEO's.
I don't see a guy driving a 1995 corolla with halogens to buy a $100 bottle of veil...
I'm not trying to stereotype here, but with a $100 can, I think it would be better to market to a niche who spends more $$ on their cars...ppl who drive cars with HID ...MAY spend more $$.
By making a non-clear product, VEIL may have singlehandedly killed that niche...
Just my 2 cents....AGAIN: NOT trying to exclude or make anyone feel bad, just saying....
I need to call that guy about getting a custom bixenon setup :?Quote:
Originally Posted by vliou2173
Or that other guy about getting a 135i :lol:
I drive a 1996 Civic and I bought Veil. Now I don't have halogens but still... I like the way veil looks. And I like not getting tickets more than how my car looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by vliou2173
Call me ricer, call me whatever, I have done absolutely nothing performance wise to my car. No straight exhaust, no nothing.
Ok, I plan to do an h22a engine swap, but that is just because my car is an unbearable 97 hp to the wheels.
Ovencleaner,
You actually do have halogen headlamps, as do most cars.
Newer luxury cars are the ones with HID (High intensity discharge) headlamps.
I agree though that I would probably buy veil if it was clear, as I HID headlights as well.
Halogens are the ones not affected as much by veil, correct? HID's are what become dimmer.
Am I understanding this correctly?
Well whenever you put some sort of tint over the headlights you are giong to diminish the number of lumens that get on the road.
So both types of headlights would become dimmer. I assumingly that veil wouldn't effect this too drastically though. Still people buy HID headlights because of the amount of lumens they produce (I know I did) to light up the road and won't want to dimish the lightoutput.
For myself, the formula is-
Clear = STEALTH
...and putting something on my headlights that could attract the wrong kind of attention or even an additional fine if stopped is definitely not something I would consider purchasing.
That said, if I had some GTS headlight covers that can be removed, then I would have them dipped in the new stuff. But at night, I'd be screwed unless I managed to get a can of the old stuff.
Taillights I might consider directly applying it to.
IMHO, creating a tinted/colored product to sell to the youth market isn't a bad idea, but I would still offer it in clear for the rest of us that don't drive around with huge wings on the backs of front wheel drive cars.
^ +1.
Be careful, though - "tinting" on tail-lights can, depending on your local enforcement attitudes (not to mention laws), be problematic on that level, too.
Thanks to a local hobbyist, I've recently found out that there is no "red-by-sight" laws in my local area - however, I know of no less than three cases, over the last 4 years, in which my personal friends and acquaintances have been pulled-over and given "fix-it-tickets" for both aftermarket and, get this, even FACTORY "cleared" tail-lights.
By logic, this would extend to "tinting" tail-light housings as well, and it is a reason why my own tail-light modifications do give mind to this concern, as my own preference is to avoid a pull-over (which wastes my time - which is more valuable to me than money), in the first place.
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FWIW, I do believe that The VEIL Guy is bringing us a good product - a product that works as-advertised as point-defense and, in this next-generation, looks better, aesthetically.
I think that there must be some other reason why it remains so tinted.
But if this is not the case, then I also will make the plea for a "clear" model. :)
Regardless, I will take The VEIL Guy at his word, on this new generation of VEIL, in that while appearing dark and shifting lighting output color towards the blue end of the spectrum, that it actually impacts light output less so than with the previous version.
Hopefully, this, combined with my use of slightly-overwattage (but still distinctly traditional halogen "colored") bulbs, will allow me to circumvent any undue scrutiny, particularly with the numerous vehicles in my area that are factory-HID equipped.
I don't know. I rather like the cool dark orange color of the new Veil G4. It should look great on the headlamps of my soft gold colored car.