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I the got unit last week and got around to running the wires and temporarily mounted the unit in the area where the green boxes are at in the picture. What do you guys think? Is this the best spot? The other area where I considered mounting it was where the red boxes are. Your thoughts?
Regards,
Jose
I'm no expert, but it seems both spots are too low. You may need to cut the grill to get the best placement.
Hard car to protect...
definite too low.Witha dual your best bet is at the bottom of the main grill and furthest to the lights.
what about vertically in between the upper grill? There doesn't seem to be a 100% consensus on whether vertically is good or not.
vertical worked for me, but my car is black, and doesn't have as big of a front end. As said before, vertical will work for most shots, but they get tricky in off axis. its much safer to have a horizontal setup to have standard LIs
put them in the grill vertical. anything lower then the headlights= Fail PT. ive done testing with lots of bmw's and anything lower was fail. the person i testing put heads in grill and had much better results in grill. good luck
Rob
Agree with vertical in the grille. But even then, you're going to still have some vulnerability. If you move the red boxes up to directly beneath the headlights, on top of the bumper, that's your best location. I've only seen one BMW driver with the gnads to do that though.
The E9X is the retarded younger brother of the E46, with the IQ of a house fly.
Your car should be on adderall.
what about IN the headlights? does that count? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker
aa2033 is correct. He's tested someone's setup and it was pretty darn good.
But at our meet last month, we had SolidJake's car with the LI Duals. They were mounted too low. We took my extra pair of Duals and put them in the front grill vertically. No good. Took the sensors and put them right underneath the headlights by the grill and his results were MUCH better. He does have a different style/year BMW though.
I would get a quad in front for the BMW...just my .02
Get a quad. Mount 2 verticals in the grille and 2 horizontals in the red.
Im a fan of overkill...
what about horizontally in the grill, next to the headlights? (this would require cutting up the grills of course). I'd rather cut into the grills than the bumper :)
Regards,
Jose
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Originally Posted by jjurroz
That'll work. you may still get a PT on the far corners of your headlights. but it will be MUCH MUCH better than a low install.
Only testing can tell. but that's the best option second to putting them in front of your headlights.
Cutting the grille would work, but a horizontal line in a bunch of vertical lines wont look good on that nice new bimmer!
But if you are more concerned with protection than looks (which most of us are, I just wouldnt want to cut up my new car) go ahead and mount horizontally in the grille.
But a guy on here has had good results with vertical jammer heads. Might want to give it a try to keep the car looking nice.
I'll look for ATF's thread, he cut into the grills on an E46.
EDIT: http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...acelift-7.html
Great info here. I have the same unfortunate car. Just bought dual LI and escort 9500ci. Was planning to put the LI heads vertically in the grille. What should I do with the escort ZR4s--mount them in green area (high side of lower grille)? Throw them in the garbage? Any advice???
I was actually going to try the vertical set up first since it doesn't cost me anything but after reading/watching the post I linked, it seems pointless.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...l=1#post659005
It seems going horizontal and cutting the girls like ATF is the best option given the layout.
I run BLinder M27 on my 08 BMW 335 in the location of your green spots. Works fine.
I also run a Version 7 dual LI on my wifes Murano SUV (much bigger car) in that same under bumper location. While under bumper is not optimal, it has protected us in the normal world just fine. My laser win records are in my sig.
But, if you decide to go with the grille cut, don't fret cutting it. You can get aftermarket replacements for $50. Mine are aftermarket.
Get outa here with your blinders!Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRstikya
Vertical setup will kill you with off axis (I've done testing on the E46 M3), so make sure you test it before putting your faith in it. I guarentee off-axis will cause you issues.
You must have misunderstood me. I'm not advocating a vertical mount in either of my statements. I'm referring to going horizontal either under bumper (like my car) or cutting the grille and going horizontal there.
I'll take an inoptimal horizontal mount location over an optimal location veritcal mount anytime.
Hey, I also own an LI. And due to my set ups, and similar car and experience, my responses are quite relevant to his question, regardless of which system I'm running.
Do you think leaving them in the green is better than moving them to the red boxes? I think I'll test the horizontal setup in the bumper since I already have it there and depending on performance I'll move them up to the grill area and cut the grills.
Regards,
Jose
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Originally Posted by GTRstikya
under the bumper setups will protect you from a lot of real world encounters.. but the problem with putting them so low.. is if you crest a hill, and a LEO shoots you before your LI can see the beam... ruh roh shaggy. you're done.
check this thread:
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...icago-mke.html
Yes, hill shots will be your nemesis, with under bumper. But, with a BMW grill mount coming around a curve, shot at those wrap-aound headlights will get your busted. You have to pick your poison, at some point, if you don't want to do a major bumper cut install. There is no easily mounted "optimal" spot on the 3 series.
But, my 2 cents...I've had more curve encounters than hills. And all my hills came out fine. Getting hit at hill crest is a split second, not common, event. Yes, it happens. Not often. Curves tend to last longer than topping a hill, making you an extended target. Personally, I'll take my chances on the hill.
[QUOTE=jjurroz;795752]Do you think leaving them in the green is better than moving them to the red boxes? I think I'll test the horizontal setup in the bumper since I already have it there and depending on performance I'll move them up to the grill area and cut the grills.
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Given a black grill and no plate, I'd say your headlights are your biggest reflective point. I'd error to the outsides of the cars. But, there is a happy medium. If you're too far away from the grill, i.e. more than 24 inches, this is bad coverage. You need a good balance. I typically measure the distance to the outside corners of the headlights and the grill from my sensor placement, and try to split the diff evenly.
Quote fail.
My real-world lifetime record of 35 out of 35 real world wins with this exact setup on 3 different cars would suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyd
It's not the optimal setup, and I'm not the most experience, but FAIL is a gross overstatement. Results don't lie.
Read fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRstikyaMy real-world lifetime record of 35 out of 35 real world wins with this exact setup on 3 different cars would suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyd
It's not the optimal setup, and I'm not the most experience, but FAIL is a gross overstatement. Results don't lie.
Quote fail.Quote:
[QUOTE=jjurroz;795752]Do you think leaving them in the green is better than moving them to the red boxes? I think I'll test the horizontal setup in the bumper since I already have it there and depending on performance I'll move them up to the grill area and cut the grills.
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Given a black grill and no plate, I'd say your headlights are your biggest reflective point. I'd error to the outsides of the cars. But, there is a happy medium. If you're too far away from the grill, i.e. more than 24 inches, this is bad coverage. You need a good balance. I typically measure the distance to the outside corners of the headlights and the grill from my sensor placement, and try to split the diff evenly.
Hahahahaha.
Wait for Laser Tamers?
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...r-jammers.html
There is no need to wait for laser tamers, which may or may not end up functioning properly anyway.
There is always a possible install location, you just have to be willing to do it.
What would you use to cut the grill and how would you mount the head? I'm in the same boat here. See this view of the back of the grill.
Unclip the grills on the hood, and make the cuts appropriately:
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...t-photo-4-.jpg
Use a dremel or another other hand-based cutting tool to make the cuts.
Make sure the heads are visible enough from off-axis angles (BOTH sides of the car, meaning, go to the right of the car, make sure you can see both heads, and then go to the left of the car, and make sure you can see both heads) else you just wasted grills on something you could have accomplished with a vertical setup.
Make sure the heads are as far to the outside of the grills as possible (while still level). Bottom of grill. Bubbles out.
The pic above is from a different model. It looks like there's a flat lip behind the grill where they installed some elbow brackets.
See my pic two posts above. I don't have a lip, just a radiator. Not sure where to install the mounting brackets. My only thought is to attach them to the vertical grill slats that aren't cut.:confused:
That doesn't look to bad, but the slats are no longer attached to anything at the base.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyd
*enters anti-condesending mode* Oh I didn't realize it was from a different model. *exit mode*Quote:
Originally Posted by WhistlerUser
Screw elbow brackets, screw whatever. The grills of the E46 are very similar to that of the E9X. Cut the slats, get the diode to fit, go from there. Hell, you can even cut the mounting bracket holes off the diode (thats what I did, and it doesn't void any warranty).
What I would do if I owned that car with those grills, would be to cut the slats like the picture I posted above did. I would then dremel off the "ears" (mounting holes) of the diodes. After that, I would put 3M double sided tape on the bottom part of the cut off slats (very small amount), and put a strip of DS tape on the bottom of the sensor (after ensuring it was level and properly aimed, you can level it with doublesided tape, its really easy to do). Depending if the slats that aren't cut are able to touch the sides of the diode, you can put some DS tape on the sides - therefore, stabilizing them from all possible sides.
If you don't like this idea, angle the L shaped mounting brackets to the side (so they mount on the vertical slats on the sides of the diode) and mount them that way.
Think outside the box.
So attach them to the top of the jammer. Put a small line of 3M DS tape on the bottom of the slat. Guys, use some imagination. There isn't a law about how it has to be integrated into the car, only as long as it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwaz
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3056/45349678.jpg
Yep, that would look awesome.... Imagination was the headlight install, not the grill hack. The grill hack is a superior need for a good defense.Quote:
So attach them to the top of the jammer. Put a small line of 3M DS tape on the bottom of the slat. Guys, use some imagination. There isn't a law about how it has to be integrated into the car, only as long as it works.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not...
http://media.ign.com/boards/images/i...ShiftyEyes.gif
That's mounted in front of the headlight, isn't it? Or is that the one mounted inside the headlight? Hard to tell in that pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by xyd
I'm not sold on the inside-the-headlight thing yet, as it has not been sufficiently testing. However, that location (at the headlights instead of inside that ugly grille) is indeed ideal, and will offer the best performance.
That is inside the headlight. And myself and aa2033 have done more than enough testing (on my setup at least) to be 100% confident in its abilities...
Confidence is not synonymous with performance.
Hitler was confident too.
