i/o stationary same-way facing

[Xen0n flash]

Few questions about same-way facing (away). I have encountered a same-way facing I/O operator on a highway and my EYES saved me from a ticket, not my STi.

Has anyone encountered an I/O operator in stationionary same-way facing position?

Since the radar is being transmitted away from YOU, unless there are buildings that the radar can be reflected on to bounce back to your detector, I think it would be virtually impossible to detect.

I know stationary (away) with the new stalker and BEE III can pick that up, but can older models like the Phython and K-55 do same direction reading?

Here's a (very crude) diagram to help you understand better what I'm talking about. What kind of equipment is capable of doing this type of away clocking other than the stalker DSR and the BEE III? Also, what are the odds of this kind of signal reaching you via bounce or otherwise, particulary in I/O mode even if its X or K scatter?

[doddy37]

i had that happen to me once dont know what type of gun the leo was using i got a Ka hit about 300ft waring on my sti must have bounced off something



Brandon

[jerry540i]

This happens alot. Cops love to sit on highway on-ramps and shoot you in the rear as you fly by.

The Guys of Lidar have done some formal and informal tests on this. There are extensive results from the summer 2007 tests on forward-facing radar, and some informal testing was done this past July.

See www.guysoflidar.com

J/

[Xen0n flash]

i had that happen to me once dont know what type of gun the leo was using i got a Ka hit about 300ft waring on my sti must have bounced off something


Brandon

That is my primary concern, especially when I/O is being used. In my 3rd grade diagram, if you look, I put a couple of arrows facing away from the radar beem with a question mark.

The question really is: Do the waves bounce off your rabbit significantly enough to be able to reach you at a reasonable distance (500 feet maybe?).

Mind you, I use the STi as well and in looking at the GoL results as Jerry suggested, it looks like they were using C/O with the forward facing test, not I/O.

[category4]

If the LEO is using IO in the situation you describe there is not going to be a lot of radar energy for your detector to receive.

[djrams80]

Radar bounces off of everything. Some radar signal is definitely bounced back. It takes a very sensitive RD to detect these extremely weak signals. I usually get 1/2 to 1 mile range on forward facing radar using my 9500ci.

[Xen0n flash]

I guess if you combine a skilled operator using i/o, forward facing, and good selection (speed estimation) would render any detector useless.

I ran into a situation on the highway where I was driving late at night. I came around the bend and I SAW the cruiser blacked-out hidden on a dirt road. I was able to break in time before I passed them. Sure enough as soon as I cleared him the STi went bonkers. If I hadn't visually spotted him, it would have been a ticket. The fact remains the STi did not detect, most likely because there were no rabbits. I made a U-turn for kicks and noticed he was clocking practically all cars that came down which tells me he was lacking in visual estimation and and was relying totally on his radar to tell him whos speeding.

The good news is 85% of LEOs (like my situation) are too lazy to go through all these steps. Going through all of these steps and countermeasures to deter radar detector users is just not that common. For some LEOs though, it's a simply hunting game. And they look for sudden breaking upon transmitting radar. When they are using these tactics, they are clearly specifically targetting RD users.

If your car has ABS, the best thing to do is to use the e-brake, especially at night (if you are swift enough) so that your break lights keep off (MAKE SURE NO ONES BEHIND YOU!). No break lights and a smooth decline in speed may leAd the officer to believe that he misjudged your speed initially and/or you aren't using an RD and won't even bother with you. Again, it depends on the officer, but these tactics are used simply to deter RD users and let those who still keep them know that it may not save you from a ticket.

And again, the good news is that this is rare, except for the NJ State Police who specialize in forward facing/very selective i/o.

[samq45]

sI see this set up a lot in NY. Especially with the Stalker Duals where they can get you coming and going on both sides of the thruway. It may be a little different as I get hit by the rear antenna after they I/O someone with their front antenna. But for the detector it is same thing. You want to see the forward facing I/O before you get hit. The STi-R does a good job and at time the STi-R will alert while the STi remains silent - until you are hit directly. I have had a good mile or more warning with the STi-R against this type of threat.

[KnightHawk]

Since the radar is being transmitted away from YOU, unless there are buildings that the radar can be reflected on to bounce back to your detector, I think it would be virtually impossible to detect.

Other than the V1 which can detect signals in front and behind, you can still detect it depending on how close he is from you. You can get a full blast when he is close and less strength from a distance.

I know stationary (away) with the new stalker and BEE III can pick that up, but can older models like the Phython and K-55 do same direction reading?

Yes, even older models can do this ONLY IN STATIONARY MODE.

Here's a (very crude) diagram to help you understand better what I'm talking about. What kind of equipment is capable of doing this type of away clocking other than the stalker DSR and the BEE III?

Almost all including older models in stationary mode.

Also, what are the odds of this kind of signal reaching you via bounce or otherwise, particulary in I/O mode even if its X or K scatter?

Can be strong or faint depending on distance and reflection.

[Super Dave]

Something like this happened to me today. I usually dont listen to the CB driving around town for work but I had it on today. Get a report "county mounty shooting in the back behind the rocks" now I wasn't sure where the "rocks" were but I slowed down anyway. About 2 miles+ later I get a Ka blip as I approach an overpass with an on ramp on the other side. As I go under the overpass (he's siting at the top of the on ramp hitting people from behind) I get a full blast.

So lesson is, the CB is awesome - no detector would give a 2 mile warning on that - and I was happy anyway as I did at least get a blip or two from the X50 before I went under the overpass..