POP - WHY not?

[Stealth Stalker]

B]In the training manual, speed readings alone taken by a speed detection device cannot stand up in court or is not used as a basis for citation[/B].

While this is indeed true, I think way too many people use this as an erroneous reasoning for disabling their POP reception. Had you received those pop alerts, you would have slowed down before he tagged you with the I/O. It's incredibly foolish to turn POP off, even in Floridia.

[KnightHawk]

It's incredibly foolish to turn POP off, even in Floridia.

All POP capable units from the manufacturer sent to Florida are disabled. Meaning, operational use of POP is zero.

[jdong]

B]In the training manual, speed readings alone taken by a speed detection device cannot stand up in court or is not used as a basis for citation[/b].

While this is indeed true, I think way too many people use this as an erroneous reasoning for disabling their POP reception. Had you received those pop alerts, you would have slowed down before he tagged you with the I/O. It's incredibly foolish to turn POP off, even in Floridia.

The other problem is that 16ms POP that's been around for well over a year remains completely undetectable (and don't tell me about STi point-blank shots, unless you show me a video of a cop duct-taped onto your hood)

[Stealth Stalker]

All POP capable units from the manufacturer sent to Florida are disabled. Meaning, operational use of POP is zero.

Yeah, and cops never search or arrest anyone without a warrant or probable cause either.

Not all radar units are ordered from the manufacturer.

Trust me, there is POP in Floridia.

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Thanks a lot people! My mind is now by the brighter side of knowledge

[KnightHawk]

The other problem is that 16ms POP that's been around for well over a year remains completely undetectable (and don't tell me about STi point-blank shots, unless you show me a video of a cop duct-taped onto your hood)

Trust me bro, I know all about that. I've tested it near and far. It's plainly common sense to test your RD's capability at a distance and not point blank range. FYI, 16ms POP has been around for not just over a year but close to a decade now. To be exact, it came out in 1999.

[jdong]

The other problem is that 16ms POP that's been around for well over a year remains completely undetectable (and don't tell me about STi point-blank shots, unless you show me a video of a cop duct-taped onto your hood)

Trust me bro, I know all about that. I've tested it near and far. It's plainly common sense to test your RD's capability at a distance and not point blank range. FYI, 16ms POP has been around for not just over a year but close to a decade now. To be exact, it came out in 1999.

Yeah; you're right. Which begs the question: Why aren't they detecting it?

Is it TRULY a technically challenging problem close to infeasibility, or is it because "We already have this thing that says K-band POP on the box, we can't add another bullet point if we implement this fancy feature."

[takeshi]

Why not to trust technology? Is it after all so reliable?

You must be new to technology...

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You must be new to technology...

Yea, just dig out from the grave.

[jimbonzzz]

What is the "warmup time" for the radar. I would think that it should take .5 to 1 sec for the radar's magnetron or TWT to stabilize. Unless speed radars are different from a normal "search" radar like on an airport. Besides being much lower in peak and average power they should work the same way, the magnetron or TWT is the oscillator.

The only other thing I can think of is that the magnetron or TWT is on continuously and they are transmitting into a dummy load and the load is switched to the antenna via something like a Pin Diode switch.

Just some thoughts.

There is "no warm up" time. Radar is put on standby mode or put on hold. With instant on and when done properly, readings are instantaneous. Maybe jimbonzzz can explain it better. Just don't have much technical knowledge when it comes to this.

It's a gunn oscillator. When it's in standby, the gunn oscillator isn't powered. They use a switching regulator to turn it on/off, at least in the POP units.

As for "warm-up time". here is Valentine's take on why this can lead to inaccurate measurements:
https://www.valentineone.com/pop/info.asp