The V1 with euro mode much better than X50 against multanova

[Dilip]

Today, i went with JC_333 and REdboy and few others to see first hand how amazing the V1 with EURO mode is. This mode is meant to scan the 34.3ghz more intensely i believe....pls correct me if i'm wrong.

We tested the birdcage on Ting Kok road (the one in NVR2FAst's video) (facing away from us)

he had his V1 in his peugot 206, and my X50 on my car. we drove side by side at around 100km/h when the limit was 70, and....on a turn, JC suddenly braked hard. I wondered, what the ****? why did he brake? and then 3 or 4 seconds later, my X50 beeped, at which point we were alreayd on the straight and could see the birdcage (photo radar box which holds the multanova) up ahead.

IT amazes me how the hell the V1 managed to pick it up even before we could visually see the birdcage, it beeped just before coming out of the turn.

We went round to try it again, i sat in his car with his V1. It beeped just before coming out of the turn. then we tried with my X50.

My x50 went off approximately 2 or 3 seconds after his did at 100 km/h.
Clearly. the V1 is better.

How can it pick up the signal from the birdcage which was facing away from us, even on a turn, before we could even see the birdcage? that's amazing....my X50 could never do that. You know how low powered Multanova's are in Hong Kong.

My X50 beeped about 5 or 6 seconds before reaching the multanova and the V1 beeped approximately 9 or 10 seconds before.

For ur info, to compare and make things equal, when i had my x50 in his car, it was also mounted high just like the V1 was. And both instances itw as a clear road with no traffic to obstruct the view or cause extra radar reflections.

[f_399]

wow sounds great!

what is multanova? do we get that in the states?

[Carlos from Spain]

Its a Swiss made photo-radar, very popular in Europe, this Ka band version is the Multanova 6F/6FM that works on the Ka narrow band of 34,3GHz +/-100MHz.

Very tough to pick up compared to other radars since:

- its signal is about 10 weaker in power than an american Stalker for example,
- its Ka band and not K or Ku
- and most of the time its set up in a foward facing position (in same direction as trafic) so faces away from you and catches you from the rear as you pass by).

We have around 500 of these in Spain. Can be used in a fixed box on the side of the road or overhead pannel, in a tripod that can be hidden behind something and changed from one place, or in a camouflaged car, and in the case of the 6FM version, it can work while the car is in motion and clocks you as you overtake it and takes the picture of your rear.

Best ranges against this by far are achieved by detectors that have the ability to be configured with the SuperWide OFF, and 34,3GHz narrow ON. Thats essentially what the V1 done when in Euro mode and that explains the difference is detection. No Escort model has this ability, all escorts have Superwide only.
Also even better is if the detector is ALSO of the remote install type rather than windshield mount due to the foward facing setup of the Multanova. I.e. Bel 996R, Bel 975R, Target EVO 660, Stinger Ventura or DSI, etc.

[Dilip]

Hello there. Here in HK almost all radars are multanova's 6F.

I wonder if escort will make an update available for their X50's to be able to scan 34.3ghz narrow range?

[Carlos from Spain]

Hi Dilip, they never have, and since its the same ownership as Bel who does make most of the detectors on the market that do pick up 34,3GHz narrow, Escort has never shown any interest. So I don't think so.

Thanks for the experience on X50 vs V1, I see we have the menace of the Multanovas 6F in common.

[Dilip]

yes i know.....i hate the multanova.

so waht do u do against it?

[Carlos from Spain]

In Spain we generally use a remote install detector type with narrow 34,3GHz Ka-band, they usually offer bettter distance reception agaist foward facing (in same direction as trafic) radars. Most popular is the Bel966R, but there are others and the choice would also depend on what other fercuencies you have in HK, such as K, Ku, etc.

Portables do fine when the radar is facing against you but when its facing away like the Multanova usually is since its photo-radar, they don't do as well as the remote install versions.

[Dilip]

Here in Hk they only have multanova's and laser guns LTI's.

unfortunately, my X50 is still quite new so i can't fork out more money to get a remote mounted unit with narrow band KA.

[laserblaster]

mike says the v1 is high on sensitivity, this is why its able to detect at such distances.. if they make the detector more sensitive to low radar scatter theres more of a chance you will get maximum warning!

[Carlos from Spain]

The way they make it more sensitive is the same way european detectors (Bel966R, Bel 330, etc) do it to detect the Ka photo-radar so popular in europe, they narrow the Ka scan to the 34,3Ghz +/-100MHz in which it operates.

So Valentine One in Euro mode cuts down its sweep from the Supwerwide Ka of 33.4Ghz-36Ghz to just 34,3Ghz +/-125MHz aprox. this much narrow band that corresponds to the Ka photo-radar Multanova allows it to make much slower and frequent scanning than if it had to scan the whole superwide, making it more sensitive. The X-50 in turn only has SuperWide mode and has to sweep the whole 1.6GHz.