POP Alert

[SoulSeeker]

I wanted to know the difference between POP alert and I/O.

I got a POP alert on my 9500ix and about 1/2- 1 mile was a LEO who found it's next customer, the alert got my attention, because it was in an area with curves and bridges and it still picked up.

What is the distance alert if your not the initial target when it comes to POP.

How does the RD tell the difference between I/O and POP.

Thanks For Reading.

[Woodscolby]

I wanted to know the difference between POP alert and I/O.

I got a POP alert on my 9500ix and about 1/2- 1 mile was a LEO who found it's next customer, the alert got my attention, because it was in an area with curves and bridges and it still picked up.

What is the distance alert if your not the initial target when it comes to POP.

How does the RD tell the difference between I/O and POP.

Thanks For Reading.

Pop is a feature on MPH guns that shoots a short burst of radar to acquire a vehicles speed. They can run on k or ka band and work very similar to instant on. Just like instant on the farther away the vehicle the harder it is to quickly attain speed. The alert distance really depends on the sensitivity on the detector. Pop is meant to fool a detector into thinking it is a false or just hide from it all together.

[snoopyc4]

Radar Detector FAQ - Guys of LIDAR

[dpatel01]

Where are you from? If pop cabable guns aren't used in your area then there's no need to even have pop on. If there are pop capable guns, chances are the LEO doesn't know how to use it/know it exists. Having pop on will cause many full blast false alerts, most of which come from leaky RDs nearby.

[SoulSeeker]

I'm from Houstone and pop alert has gone on a couple of times, and the times it has alerted me, there was a LEO questioning it's new customer.

[kappaz]

From Veil Guy-

IO - Instant-On is a form of police radar that is specifically used to target a particular vehicle or series of vehicles. The nature of IO is not so much the transmission time of the radar, it is the time when the transmission starts (at a specific target, often at close range).

Instant-on is always manually triggered by the officer and lasts anywhere from 0.500 seconds (half a second) to longer.

I believe more typical instant-on transmissions last from about 1.0 second to nearly three seconds in duration.

Quick trigger is merely a shortened or abbreviated form of IO, lasting only around 0.500 seconds to no more than 1 second. Quick trigger can be/is used to beat out slower radar detectors that require a radar transmission to last for one second or more before alerting.

It is especially important to realize that downstream reflected radar often appears for brief periods of time along the same order of QT radar which is why quicker radar detectors will tend to outperform their slower counterparts, even those possessing increased levels of sensitivity, in these circumstances.

The best radar detectors for sniffing out these brief radar signals are the V1, Whistler models (with filter mode), Beltronics STi-R /w RADAR OFF (and/or Ka band segmentation).

Beyond three seconds of radar transmission tends towards CO constant-on mode.

POP-mode is merely a processor-controlled extremely brief transmission of radar ranging from 16ms (0.016 seconds) to 67ms (0.067 seconds). It is not an IACP approved method for obtaining speed and tickets can't legally be issued with the mode. Typically if POP is used to pre-qualify a speed, a more normal radar transmission mode will follow that provides the necessary tracking history. These more typical IO transmissions would then be detectable from radar detectors that can see them.

To Summarize:

POP: 16-67ms (0.016-0.067 seconds), targeting particular vehicle(s)
Quick triggered instant-on: <1000ms (<1 second), targeting particular vehicle(s)
More typical instant-on: 1000-3000ms (~1-3 seconds), targeting particular vehicle(s)
Constant-on: >3000ms (>3 seconds), not particularly targeting any one vehicle

[SoulSeeker]

So why do they use POP mode if they can't issue you a ticket.

[OldGoat]

So why do they use POP mode if they can't issue you a ticket.

probable cause

[stlcardsfan]

Lol. You guys don't realize the failed logic of running POP on on an Escort especially.
1) POP can't be used to issue a citation
2) POP detection greatly increases falsing
3) POP is so rare you will probably never encounter it
4) RDs suck at detecting it. I've personally tested my 9500ix against 16ms POP and it missed every shot. If a RD can't detect a radar burst .25 seconds long it definately will struggle against 16 or 64 ms

[xcr440sp]

I live in an area (Iowa) where MPH is the dominant radar used. Many of the newer units have POP (Bee III), I haven't had a hit with it so they don't appear to be using it. I did get an oprotunity to test my 9500ci and it detected POP with no problem all three attempts. (and I think the deputy was disapointed and is likely to not use POP after seeing it detected). All the Bee III units I've seen were Ka band (so I can't say if anyone here uses any POP units in K band or not. )

I don't think anyone around here uses the "Z" units with the 16ms POP. Thats in the handhelds and the only handhelds I've seen used were X band. I run with POP on and for me it isn't bad. I do get an occasional false, but I get far more "j" outs on my V1 than I've ever had false POP alerts on my Escorts. My understanding is that No detector will get the 16 ms POP.

I also feel you need to see if the radar units are POP capeable where you drive. If they are, not running POP to me is like turning off X band in most states, and although both are unlikely to get you, leaving yourself unprotected, to me, seems foolish. I think there are only a few states that heavily use MPH radar (I belive Oregon, Nevada, and Iowa) so odds are you don't have to worry about it.