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    A BMW owner found this in his car. Was this made by the same VR that makes our beloved V1?


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    Yes it is. Its called a G analyst. They are sometimes on ebay for $200. None on there right now though.

    http://mrganalyst.typepad.com/mr_gan..._manual_v2.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1user View Post
    Yes it is. Its called a G analyst. They are sometimes on ebay for $200. None on there right now though.

    http://mrganalyst.typepad.com/mr_gan..._manual_v2.pdf


    That g-analyst looks nothing like the emissions controller box in the original post...

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    I've used a g-analyst and it's different from the pic I posted. Here's a pic of like the one I used:

    The pic I posted earlier seems to be some sort of emissions diagnostic tool. According to the owner, it's a go between controller for the O2 and MAF.
    Last edited by Blown Z; 01-17-2010 at 09:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swarga View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by v1user View Post
    Yes it is. Its called a G analyst. They are sometimes on ebay for $200. None on there right now though.

    http://mrganalyst.typepad.com/mr_gan..._manual_v2.pdf

    That g-analyst looks nothing like the emissions controller box in the original post...
    Oops. Its bksnoopy causing me to think like that.
    There is just so little on the net about VR's other products they've made in the past.
    Has CMG called VR for info?

    [ame=http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1370872]Old School Euro Bimmer topic- Valentine Research Feedback Emissions Compliance... - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum[/ame]
    Last edited by v1user; 01-17-2010 at 12:26 AM.

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    http://members.rennlist.com/pirtle/zfi_bosch_brains.txt

    Car and Driver May 1985 has an article on Mike Valentine (radar detector
    guy) cracking the Bosch brain code. He did to get a Gray Market BMW to pass
    Federal Emissions testing.
    "From being interested in Porsches, I kinda knew how Bosch fuel injection
    works. Basically the fuel is supplied at constant pressure. For each
    cylinder there is a solenoid injector. How much fuel goes in is determined
    by how long an electrical pulse the injector gets. And that's the brain's
    job. But where does the brain get its information? You're not supposed to
    pry the top off the airflow meter. But I did it anyway. Inside there's a
    flap in the airstream pivoting on a shaft. It's held shut by a cuckoo-clock
    spring. When air comes in, it blows open the flap, kinda like a screen door
    with no latch. And the harder it blows, the harder the door goes out against
    the closing spring. On the shaft is a potentiometer. Looks like a volume
    control on a radio. As soon as any electronics buff sees that, it's 'Aha!
    Now I see where the signal comes from.' It's like an air-volume knob. The
    more air coming through, the louder it turns up the knob. That's easy. So I
    was poking around the engine compartment with my oscilloscope. Hook up an
    injector wire, then play with the throttle and see what happens to pulse
    width. The brain is responsible for holding idle speed steady. When I pushed
    the flap to lean it out, the rpm would drop and the brain would say, 'Hey,
    it's slowing down, we gotta richen this beauty back up,' and the pulse width
    would go up. You could push the flap around, and the idle speed wouldn't
    change at all. The brain would fight until you got completely outside its
    tolerance limits."
    Valentine concluded that the only way to deal with a Bosch brain was to
    think like Bosch brain.
    "Since the brain determines the mixture, I had to figure some fake-out, some
    way to send it bogus information so it would make EPA mixture instead of
    German-market mixture." (Or in our case max hp mixture.) "I found that the
    brain sends a constant reference signal to the potentiometer on the airflow
    meter. the meter processes the signal according to how much air is going
    into the engine and sends the manipulated signal back to the brain. Out the
    other side of the brain goes the signal to the injectors telling them how
    long to stay open. If you think about the problem, you realize that you want
    to add fuel in percents rather than increments. One increment at full
    throttle may not be very much, but the same increment at idle may drown it.
    So the input side is the right opening. If you fiddle with the reference
    going into the airflow meter, then everything coming out is proportional to
    the airflow.You want to find the leanest part of the map; that's probably
    going downhill with the throttle just cracked open. And the richest part;
    that should be cold starting. Then if you can add or subtract from the
    reference to get the mixture right in those two extremes, that's all the
    voltage you'll ever need. And this establishes the limits for the control
    circuit you're going to build. Then you work out the in-between points. If
    it's lean at part-throttle cruise, just how lean is it? I figured this out
    on the road, running on cruise control. I had a stack of batteries and a
    bunch of resistors on a board. And some wires into the passengers
    compartment from the fuel injection. Then with a meter hooked up to he
    oxygen sensor, I could tap around on the battery stack until I found a
    control voltage that would make it go rich.The only anomaly I ever found was
    25% rich then stomping on full throttle. The signal back to the brain was
    higher than the reference, and it hadn't been taught to think about that. So
    it crashed. There's really not too much to the circuitry. There are some
    operational-amplifier chips and some little decision-making circuits called
    CMOS analog switches. You need a loop amplifier for stability. And, of
    course, a box and connectors and stuff. You get out your semiconductor
    catalogs and try to find things that don't cost $30 apiece. you can't quite
    buy all of this from Radio Shack, but it's close, just the barest level
    above. For the prototype, in fact, I got about 75% of what I needed from
    Radio Shack."
    Valentine has adapted his box to work on other BMW models, including the
    M635 and the Alpina B6, as well as the Porsche 911 with Motronic II, and
    even the Porsche 928 with the hot-wire airflow meter.

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    Default Re: Same VR?

    thanks for sharing the info. Especially for taking the time for the long post.

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    Thanks for the info Jim! Does anyone know about other cool gadgets that VR made?
    Last edited by Blown Z; 01-17-2010 at 05:37 PM.

 

 

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