Gahh!! Another failed 9500ci install.

[djrams80]

In our installation training material and videos we highly recommend a totally unobstructed view for the shifters (our manuals are freely available in pdf format on our website, EscortRadar dot com). In our training videos we point out that it is possible to have a very small obstruction between the shifter's receiving and transmitting diodes but that is all.

We understand that some customers do not want their vehicle modded or have modules poking out of them, and that is understandable, but the customer should also be aware that obstructing the diodes will result in very weak laser shifting performance.

It's my opinion that Bel/Escort does a horrific job of getting the correct information to the "Certified Installers". Just about every installer I have talked to does not have a clue about how to properly install a remote RD/shifter. Some of the responsibility for this has to fall on the shoulders of Bel/Escort.

And while I have your attention.....fix my 9500ci's horrible rampup!

[MEM-TEK]

In our installation training material and videos we highly recommend a totally unobstructed view for the shifters (our manuals are freely available in pdf format on our website, EscortRadar dot com). In our training videos we point out that it is possible to have a very small obstruction between the shifter's receiving and transmitting diodes but that is all...

Yep, even in your 9500ci installation video Escort shows a cutaway view of the ZR4 shifter head so that installers can see where the three IR detecting diodes are located and where the 8 IR emitter diodes are located. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you most definitely do not any significant amount of obstruction in front of either set of diodes -- and ideally no obstructions.

[Fastgt2003]

In our installation training material and videos we highly recommend a totally unobstructed view for the shifters (our manuals are freely available in pdf format on our website, EscortRadar dot com). In our training videos we point out that it is possible to have a very small obstruction between the shifter's receiving and transmitting diodes but that is all.

We understand that some customers do not want their vehicle modded or have modules poking out of them, and that is understandable, but the customer should also be aware that obstructing the diodes will result in very weak laser shifting performance.

It's my opinion that Bel/Escort does a horrific job of getting the correct information to the "Certified Installers". Just about every installer I have talked to does not have a clue about how to properly install a remote RD/shifter. Some of the responsibility for this has to fall on the shoulders of Bel/Escort.

And while I have your attention.....fix my 9500ci's horrible rampup!

this is true I went to one that was listed on the page he didn't even make my head's level at all which gave me punches from 1900 ft with a start of 2k with a PL3

[904nm]

LOL! I think the post at the other forum left them speechless. It was a beautiful install but poorly executed by putting the components behind the grill.

[MEM-TEK]

^^ Yep, that install was both beautiful and horribly gone wrong at the same time. All that work when just a few simple questions asked here would have saved a lot of time.

[swarga]

LOL! I think the post at the other forum left them speechless.

Heh heh - yeah, DJ shut them all right up! It's been 5 days and not a single response to his post.

It was a beautiful install but poorly executed by putting the components behind the grill.

Agreed. They did a superb job on the placement of the interior components and the wiring. All they need to do is fix the location of the exterior components and that will be a top notch install worthy of the $600 pricetag.

[Stealth Stalker]

In our training videos we point out that it is possible to have a very small obstruction between the shifter's receiving and transmitting diodes but that is all.

See, I just would have expected you guys to have figured out by now that you just cannot give people that wiggle room. Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile and then rightly blame it on you for not making it clearer. You have to make things black and white for these yardbirds. They're not tech geeks. They're artists. "Small obstruction" is a crappy term to use with them. It means nothing. If you use the word "obstruction" at all, you FAIL to provide good advice.

You're wrong. A "small obstruction" or even a small distance behind a mostly open honeycomb grille cannot be done and expect ANY performance. I know you guys may sit in some lab and shoot the heads from three feet straight ahead of the car and watch them fire back, but no cop does. They are off at 45 degree angles to the road. They are 25 feet overhead on an overpass. Either one of those shots would be totally blocked by ANY degree of recession, or ANY kind of grille.

The ZR4 is a horribly weak jammer to begin with. In a textbook perfect installation, it's still not even close to being enough to save anyone in the average car from an average police encounter. Why you would even consider giving someone advice that would lead them to do a less than optimum installation is beyond me, and just insane. It's killing your reputation.

Wake up. Change your training materials. Tell your installers the truth instead of leaving them just enough rope to hang themselves like this. Or better yet, design a real jammer.

[Zapple]

And give MEM-TEK a well paying job with benefits, he will make your jammers JTG.

[Stealth Stalker]

I just don't get why they would go out of their way to produce a radar detector with such superior sensitivity that you could stick it behind a grille or bumper skin, and still get better performance than most other detectors, yet pair it with a "Shifter" that doesn't work even when it is perfectly installed. Who the heck would sign off on that concept? I hope he's unemployed now. There is no way you can remain an industry leader with those kinds of boneheaded decisions.

[TSi+WRX]

^ The thing with the Shifters that's always puzzled me is - in addition to why the heck a company such as Escort, which produces top-flight RADAR detectors, would have a LIDAR jammer that is, in many areas, sub-par - why it does so well at detection, but does so poorly, relatively speaking, in terms of jamming capabilities.



To me, that just doesn't make sense.