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[RW'07]

For me it's pretty much being a REBEL, hate to know that the gov (and cops are in fact a wing of the gov) is monitoring me, they would say "no, we're monitoring the speed of your vehicle..." but I own the vehicle so you monitor my car you monitor ME so all I want is to know WHEN you do it, have nothing against YOU doing it anytime BUT I wanna know WHEN you do it... tell that to them and they all gonna look at you like public enemy #1, like you are just about to commit a terrorist attack, they (about Ontario) hate RDs and people that use them like hell, seizing RDs is way more satisfying (for them) than taking off the road an unsafe MV :twisted:

The govt monitoring you..... give me a break dude......seriously.

And how do YOU call any police radar operation, DUUUUUUUUUDE (hate to use liberal lingo)?

[Toronto-radar-chopper]

Good point. I consider my RD to be another tax I pay for the privilege to speed when I see fit.

Plus, it has become my hobby which I desperate to find. Funny enough, my girl likes it because it has also become a good side business for me. Yes, I sell these in Ontario and I really don't care that they are illegal. Just as illegal as free satalite or pirate DVD's.

[RW'07]

Good point. I consider my RD to be another tax I pay for the privilege to speed when I see fit.

Plus, it has become my hobby which I desperate to find. Funny enough, my girl likes it because it has also become a good side business for me. Yes, I sell these in Ontario and I really don't care that they are illegal. Just as illegal as free satalite or pirate DVD's.

Just be very careful who you are doing business with, even an ordinary unhappy customer can easily report you to local authorities, others who know the local RD law can easily blackmail you, in Ontario RDs are the same like pot :x the more fuss you make the better chances one day to get caught and then... don't even want to think about... regardless, best of luck and try to stay legal as much as possible :wink:

There is no law to stop you using US satellite TV in Canada, hacked of course as DTV and DishNetwork are not allowed to operate in Canada, I think the entire Toronto Police force has got US satellite system at home, and to sell them it's a grey-area market, with pirate DVDs is different, you just steal the product itself by copying it w/out the owner's authorization (the copyright law)...
I've been using US satellite system since 09/03, for a year DTV (until HU cards went dead for good) since then Dish (for the past 2 years Pansat 2700A FTA) for 61.5/110/119 birds :wink:

[SmaartAasSaabr]

Just be very careful who you are doing business with, even an ordinary unhappy customer can easily report you to local authorities, others who know the local RD law can easily blackmail you, in Ontario RDs are the same like pot :x the more fuss you make the better chances one day to get caught and then... don't even want to think about... regardless, best of luck and try to stay legal as much as possible :wink:

There is no law to stop you using US satellite TV in Canada, hacked of course as DTV and DishNetwork are not allowed to operate in Canada, I think the entire Toronto Police force has got US satellite system at home, and to sell them it's a grey-area market, with pirate DVDs is different, you just steal the product itself by copying it w/out the owner's authorization (the copyright law)...
I've been using US satellite system since 09/03, for a year DTV (until HU cards went dead for good) since then Dish (for the past 2 years Pansat 2700A FTA) for 61.5/110/119 birds :wink:

Incorrect, to descramble a purposely scrambled signal in order to watch without paying IS illegal in Canada. The question is if Dish and friends are "pay services" in Canada. The issue was raised in the Courts of this country many times, and once it was declared public domain but it was quickly overturned. ExpressVu, StarChoice and all the other TV providers have massive legal teams making sure that American satellite service will always be illegal.

That said your risk of being caught watching such stuff, zero. You only run legal risk if you are actively running a business clearly selling devices to obtain the hacked programming. Sometimes RCMP will raid a store, or some "boss" like that Captain dude...

Now let's go back to the original topic.

[RW'07]

Just be very careful who you are doing business with, even an ordinary unhappy customer can easily report you to local authorities, others who know the local RD law can easily blackmail you, in Ontario RDs are the same like pot :x the more fuss you make the better chances one day to get caught and then... don't even want to think about... regardless, best of luck and try to stay legal as much as possible :wink:

There is no law to stop you using US satellite TV in Canada, hacked of course as DTV and DishNetwork are not allowed to operate in Canada, I think the entire Toronto Police force has got US satellite system at home, and to sell them it's a grey-area market, with pirate DVDs is different, you just steal the product itself by copying it w/out the owner's authorization (the copyright law)...
I've been using US satellite system since 09/03, for a year DTV (until HU cards went dead for good) since then Dish (for the past 2 years Pansat 2700A FTA) for 61.5/110/119 birds :wink:

Incorrect, to descramble a purposely scrambled signal in order to watch without paying IS illegal in Canada. The question is if Dish and friends are "pay services" in Canada. The issue was raised in the Courts of this country many times, and once it was declared public domain but it was quickly overturned. ExpressVu, StarChoice and all the other TV providers have massive legal teams making sure that American satellite service will always be illegal.

That said your risk of being caught watching such stuff, zero. You only run legal risk if you are actively running a business clearly selling devices to obtain the hacked programming. Sometimes RCMP will raid a store, or some "boss" like that Captain dude...

But you're not descramble the signal coming from a Canadian satellite company, that's VERY illegal... anyhow, as you just said, who's gonna get in your house to see that you're running DTV or DishNetwork in Canada??? To sell them, very rarely you get stings on this stuff, I even know a legal business, Midland just north of Progress in Scarboro, 2250 Midland, who even has a large business sign upfront and their own van with DishNetwork sat, sales and service...

[teeto]

And how do YOU call any police radar operation, DUUUUUUUUUDE (hate to use liberal lingo)?

It is quite simple to me.

[DeadReb245]

Incorrect, to descramble a purposely scrambled signal in order to watch without paying IS illegal in Canada. The question is if Dish and friends are "pay services" in Canada. The issue was raised in the Courts of this country many times, and once it was declared public domain but it was quickly overturned. ExpressVu, StarChoice and all the other TV providers have massive legal teams making sure that American satellite service will always be illegal.

You are absolutely correct. It once was fine and dandy to pirate DirecTV's signal in Canada and you could not be prosecuted for it. This was because there were simply no laws barring it AND DirecTV does not have a license to broadcast in Canada, and therefore could not prosecute individuals residing there for intercepting and/or pirating its signal.

However, this is no longer the case. ExpressVU along with major Canadian cable companies used their political lobbies and successfully made the case that they were losing significant revenue because of Canadians who were intercepting American satellite signals. I believe the law that was passed makes it illegal for Canadians to intercept any foreign satellite television signals. This would obviously include DirecTV.

[Toronto-radar-chopper]

Yes, freetoair/blackbird receivers which do not unscrambles the signal but simple are passive receivers (works for Bell Xpressvu or dish network) are now deemed illegal.

Chance of getting caught is slim to none and they are sold all over the place.

I good care less about a mad customer trying to blackmail me. Change your cell number and email and move on.

Use a $100 per year proxy server and it makes it even more difficult.

[RW'07]

Incorrect, to descramble a purposely scrambled signal in order to watch without paying IS illegal in Canada. The question is if Dish and friends are "pay services" in Canada. The issue was raised in the Courts of this country many times, and once it was declared public domain but it was quickly overturned. ExpressVu, StarChoice and all the other TV providers have massive legal teams making sure that American satellite service will always be illegal.

You are absolutely correct. It once was fine and dandy to pirate DirecTV's signal in Canada and you could not be prosecuted for it. This was because there were simply no laws barring it AND DirecTV does not have a license to broadcast in Canada, and therefore could not prosecute individuals residing there for intercepting and/or pirating its signal.

However, this is no longer the case. ExpressVU along with major Canadian cable companies used their political lobbies and successfully made the case that they were losing significant revenue because of Canadians who were intercepting American satellite signals. I believe the law that was passed makes it illegal for Canadians to intercept any foreign satellite television signals. This would obviously include DirecTV.

First off, hasn't been any DTV hack since they've introduced the P3/P4 cards so everybody with DTV receivers (like myself) moved to DishNetwork, first we're using original DN receivers (with cards) but since about 2 years ago they made all cards unusable (or something like that) so everybody moved again but this time to CARDLESS receivers, FTA, which cannot be hit in any way, receiver and card (cause there is no card), updates of the software and/or keys you get them from some special websites (free membership) so now it's impossible not to get DN for free in Canada, with the proper receiver of course... also you need clear view of the southern sky, the EchoStar birds (same like DTV birds) are somewhere above Texas... in my case, getting only 3 birds, 61.5/110/119, about 720 channels in total including all PPV, all HBO events (proboxing, etc,), all Foxsportsnetwork channels, NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB games, some channels that are not available in Canada, Military, FX, FOOD Network USA, History USA, Pentagon Channel, over 100 of local channels, Florida, San Francisco, LA, San Diego, NY, Denver, Ohio, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc, and of course all adult channels starting with ClubJenna (Jameson of course), Xtasy, Playboy (english and spanish)... and no subscription whatsoever :wink:

[RW'07]

Chance of getting caught is slim to none

ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!

and they are sold all over the place.

I think every Toronto cop is got one at home... Amin :wink:

I think about 1 million Canadian households have DN receivers at home...