Multiple bogey frequency threshold?

[lordhamster]

I was just reading a thread over in the escort forum where a poster said that he had been saved my the 9500i's Truelock feature. He described driving by a grocery store that he had previously locked out and getting an alert on the same band as the lockout from the 9500i.

I know that the 9500i has a certain range of frequencies which it considers to be a single source for the sake of the truelock feature, and that GOL has defeated this feature using that knowledge.

What makes me worry however is that when I use my V1 around town, I have built in Truelock in my own mind . If I get to a certain point on my daily drive and I hear a K-band, I immediately hit the mute button. With a V1 mounted very high I never even look at the bogey count.

My question finally is this: If I was being an ideal V1 user, and I go by my local grocery store and normally there is 1 door opener bogey and today there is a door opener bogey and a cop on close to the same frequency, would it show up as 1 or 2 bogies?

How close would that cop's gun have to be to the door opener to show up as a separate bogey? How does this "closeness" of frequency correspond with the chunk that the 9500i considers to be a single source for truelock?

[KnightHawk]

The V1 should be able to detect any other potential threat in the same frequency. In fact, the V1 has a better way of identifying multiple bogeys in the same frequency than escort's expert mode. Example, 2 radars with the same frequency will only show 1 bogey in escort's expert mode but the V1 will show 2 bogeys. This applies to Ka, K and X band as well.

There is a flaw in escorts design when it comes to same or close frequencies even with the 9500i and X50. I have a video somewhere where the 9500i alerted to K band radar when I lock out an auto door sensor at 24.110 and radar was 24.150.

You will also know if true K band radar is around because you will get stronger signals than usual.

Bottom line, the V1 has superior technology than escort's when it comes to detecting multiple bogeys.

[lordhamster]

The V1 should be able to detect any other potential threat in the same frequency. In fact, the V1 has a better way of identifying multiple bogeys in the same frequency than escort's expert mode. Example, 2 radars with the same frequency will only show 1 bogey in escort's expert mode but the V1 will show 2 bogeys. This applies to Ka, K and X band as well.

There is a flaw in escorts design when it comes to same or close frequencies even with the 9500i and X50. I have a video somewhere where the 9500i alerted to K band radar when I lock out an auto door sensor at 24.110 and radar was 24.150.

You will also know if true K band radar is around because you will get stronger signals than usual.

Bottom line, the V1 has superior technology than escort's when it comes to detecting multiple bogeys.

How does the V1 distingish 2 sources on the exact same frequency? Does it take other wave properties into account as well?

[KnightHawk]

How does the V1 distingish 2 sources on the exact same frequency? Does it take other wave properties into account as well?

I don't know technically, but I do know from actual testing and experience.

[hockey005]

x2...if a leo is runnin both his antennas in a dual antenna system the v1 will display 2 bogeys

[kpatz]

It's probably patented or a trade secret but I'm guessing VR's multiple bogey detection either uses a narrower "window" in its scan, meaning it senses smaller differences in frequency than the X50, or it somehow uses both antennas to differentiate between multiple bogeys.

It's probably a combination of things. A narrow IF, the 2 antennas, and maybe some way of detecting the "beating" of two different frequencies.

[MetalFlame]

How does the V1 distingish 2 sources on the exact same frequency? Does it take other wave properties into account as well?

No other portable RD on the market has so high resolution as V1 has.
For X,Ku and K-band,V1 has a resoultion of around 1MHz
For Ka-band,V1 has LESS than 4MHz resoultion.
If V1 had a Frequency Display it would BY FAR more accurate than the one Belscorts have.

[CJR238]

Bottom line, the V1 has superior technology than escort's when it comes to detecting multiple bogeys.

I don’t know how absolutely true that is. The 9500I when in Expert mode it will tell you verbally of "Multiple Frequency’s Detected" sure in some rare cases it will show one when there is 2 but rarely have i seen it with a real threat.

Don’t forget the V1 has ghosting issues too. And some of those multiple bogies are actually 1.

Escorts concept to decrease the amount of useless information works quite well. Honestly do you really need to know of 9 different false alerts when the only important ones are the threat and the false or other threat.

[djrams80]

How does the V1 distingish 2 sources on the exact same frequency? Does it take other wave properties into account as well?

I think we need the professor for this one. Jimbonzzz? Can the V1 distinguish two bogeys at the exact same frequency? If so, how? If not, how far apart do the two frequencies need to be to be seen as two seperate contacts? Does this have anything to do with why does my bogey counter goes nutso when I'm close to a high powered signal?

[CJR238]

My question finally is this: If I was being an ideal V1 user, and I go by my local grocery store and normally there is 1 door opener bogey and today there is a door opener bogey and a cop on close to the same frequency, would it show up as 1 or 2 bogies?

V1 would show 2 bogeys, however you already muted the false/threat mentally or physically.
If there is just enough difference in the signals the 9500I will unlock the lockout point and alert to "Multiple frequency’s" plus show if the bands are different. The big advantage here is because you have not gotten falses here before you are startled that its alerting and immediately slow down.

Sure if the LEO is running the same band as the false, and the false is in the same frequency block as the LEO, and the LEO is running his radar at the same distance the false reaches there is a possibility you will get 1 alert and not 2.

For what ever reason I have had K falses locked out and have also gotten a real K alert in the same area. One would have to assume it was in a different frequency block, but i know the false to be at approximately 24.150, and we all know K band runs close to that.