Return of the King?

[CJR238]

What sort of moronic logic is that... you not only fail, you ARE fail.

REREAD MY SCENARIO... I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT AT PRODUCER COST, I AM TALKING CONSUMER COST WITH THE GPS UNIT... RE-READ THE BOLD!

How many concussions did you have as a kid?

So (according to your logic) if Escort priced the 9500ix @ $1,000... we must then deduce that it costs Escort $700 to go from a 8500 X50 > 9500ix, so henceforth it must be costing them $700 to make that addition of GPS? Just because THEY PRICE IT @ that does not mean it costs that to them, it just means that is the highest price they felt they could screw the consumer out of, yet still sell good amounts of units.

THAT IS FAR different, than what it costs them to make it. Escort says that the value to the consumer for the monopoly they have is worth $200 (on a high-end radar detector with GPS compared to a high-end unit without it)... this DOES NOT mean that it costs $200, or anywhere near it... it is simply what those blood-sucking vultures feel if the best price-to-product ratio that they can force on consumers IF they want their product.

So no, it likely costs Escort between $25-$75 I am guessing at this point for the GOS functions in all units (non-IQ)... NOT $200.

So when I was adding up the price of the units... (and what it would be with GPS) I was doing it at company cost (where my numbers are far more accurate than your misleading BS). Your pricing comes FROM ESCORT... and the $200 fact was convenient because it simply added up perfectly.

Your pricing method is as follows:
Step 1) Escort sets prices.
Step 2) The products are thus worth that much, and you then must make-up costs to total that number.

As old Emile says about you (not [sic] of course): "If your going to feed society s**t sandwiches everyday, you better have a society that loves to eat s**t." You eat so much of it from Belscort it floods out into the forum through your fingers into posts.

Still costs us $200, that's the point? Not sure what yours is, hope all is ok?

Anyway i agree the cost for Escort to make the GPS features in the 9500ix may be ~$50+. But a manufacturers mark up is usually around ~35 margin which brings the dealer cost to about ~$80, and retail mark up is usually ~50 margin, which equals almost exactly what all retail mark up is, and almost exactly the difference between X50 & 9500ix (~$200).

As a side note if you search how does retail margin work you will see a 50 margin comes up every time (though that can be on the low end of MSRP for some products). Hers a nice link to margins and why they are used. http://www.buildingtrade.org.uk/arti...or_margin.html

Searching whosale mark up you will see ~30-40 margin mark up. So escort may be ~10 margin higher or quite a bit lower depending on what you compare it to.

And a margin calculator: http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcul...ial/margin.php

My simple point (maybe not so simple) is that Escort is not making a killing or ripping us off more/less than any other manufacturer.

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Hope the above helps if you want to know too Weeth.

[AirMoore]

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My simple point (maybe not so simple) is that Escort is not making a killing or ripping us off more/less than any other manufacturer.
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Yes they are... THEY ARE MAKING A KILLING AND RIPPING US OFF and that is my point. They would sell more units, and make a higher return if they put the correct prices on their units.

Listen one last time: A fairly decent standalone GPS unit costs $125 ON CONSUMERS END. How is ESCORT charging more than an entire GPS in their system when it does NOT have: 4.3inch screen, ANY other GPS functions, No SD expansion port for picture viewers and other country maps etc... the list goes on what it does not have. Granted I am willing to concede that all the things the stand-alone does have, negate those to say they are equal because of the GPS corporations obvious specificity advantage.

So in other words, THE ONLY reason why Escort charges that much is their monopoly (aforementioned)on the units. They should NOT BE charging an extra $200... it is a rip off.

Look at it this way oh blind one... their own SC55 costs $160/$180 RESPECTIVELY... Why is that not MINIMUM $200, if it costs that much and they aren't making a killing with GPS in their units. Unless your going to say the SC55 costs less than integrating it into the detector... so two cases, two displays, two boards, two chipsets, two cords (for attachment), two speakers is REALLY cheaper than integrating it into one unit? BS.

You can honestly STFU. If I (consumer) can buy a stand-alone GPS for $125 with all the aforementioned features-including margins and markups for producer/retailer: Belscort is making A KILLING if they charge a dime more than that (which they do)... for a GPS that does nothing more then says... speed-trap or camera around. (Which BTW... you can get for your normal stand-alone GPS unit too).

Again my perfect example of Belscort overpricing: Look at how the STi-R did when it was discontinued and dropped to a reasonable price... it sold like hot-cakes. You obviously know that many discontinued items are shelved for weeks in the electronic industry because they can't move the product even after the price drops... there was/is simply no demand.

Bel claimed there were low sales figures and that is why it got cut... well it wasn't there was LOW/NO demand... it was Beltronics overpricing their units. Imagine the sales figures if they had their product at the discounted price all along...

The only reason why Belscort sells anything is their Monopoly in:
Spectre-Invisibility
Remote-mounts
GPS-integration

(In a high-end radar detector).



So for the last time... THEY are making a KILLING.

You are such a bias, 1-sided hooligan... you spread BS like it is truth... and that hurts this forum.

(The $25-$75 figures are being very gracious FYI so that $50 is likely very high, and you of course take 50+ route)...

[Weeth]

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My simple point (maybe not so simple) is that Escort is not making a killing or ripping us off more/less than any other manufacturer.
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Yes they are... THEY ARE MAKING A KILLING AND RIPPING US OFF and that is my point. They would sell more units, and make a higher return if they put the correct prices on their units.

So in other words, THE ONLY reason why Escort charges that much is their monopoly (aforementioned)on the units. They should NOT BE charging an extra $200... it is a rip off.

I think CJR has the same feeling about VR, that you have for Escort, if that makes any sense.

[CJR238]

Yes they are... THEY ARE MAKING A KILLING AND RIPPING US OFF and that is my point. They would sell more units, and make a higher return if they put the correct prices on their units.

Would they? So your saying RD's are sold equal to stand alone GPS units? And the GPS unit your referring to is made in Canada/USA as apposed to china, or taiwan?

Listen one last time: A fairly decent standalone GPS unit costs $125 ON CONSUMERS END. How is ESCORT charging more than an entire GPS in their system when it does NOT have: 4.3inch screen, ANY other GPS functions, No SD expansion port for picture viewers and other country maps etc... the list goes on what it does not have. Granted I am willing to concede that all the things the stand-alone does have, negate those to say they are equal because of the GPS corporations obvious specificity advantage.
So in other words, THE ONLY reason why Escort charges that much is their monopoly (aforementioned)on the units. They should NOT BE charging an extra $200... it is a rip off.

Specificity isn't the advantage for there costs being down on that $125 GPS unit, its the amount sold and where they are made.
The reason Escort charges that much is simple manufacturing costs, R&D, and standard profit margin.

Look at it this way oh blind one... their own SC55 costs $160/$180 RESPECTIVELY... Why is that not MINIMUM $200, if it costs that much and they aren't making a killing with GPS in their units. Unless your going to say the SC55 costs less than integrating it into the detector... so two cases, two displays, two boards, two chipsets, two cords (for attachment), two speakers is REALLY cheaper than integrating it into one unit? BS.

This is a better comparison, but also follows the same standard profit margin. $180 is with the detector kit so that needs to be included. So if we assume it doesn't cost any more to put in a all in one package (9500ix) Escort is making an extra $13 over tops. Man that's a rip off...

Again my perfect example of Belscort overpricing: Look at how the STi-R did when it was discontinued and dropped to a reasonable price... it sold like hot-cakes. You obviously know that many discontinued items are shelved for weeks in the electronic industry because they can't move the product even after the price drops... there was/is simply no demand.

I agree here, when products are sold at a discount off list, especially a big discount they will sell a lot more of them. Some products are hits (9500ix 9500ci) and some are misses (sti-R).

Bel claimed there were low sales figures and that is why it got cut... well it wasn't there was LOW/NO demand... it was Beltronics overpricing their units. Imagine the sales figures if they had their product at the discounted price all along...

Doesn't low/no demand equate to low sales figures?

The only reason why Belscort sells anything is their Monopoly in:
Spectre-Invisibility
Remote-mounts
GPS-integration

(In a high-end radar detector). .

I wouldn't say the only reason why Belscort sells anything is their "monopoly" in the noted. Marketing, performance, availability and market need/want has a lot to do with it too.

So for the last time... THEY are making a KILLING.

Yes they are making money, just as any company should and all companies do. Killing is a relative term, and i would agree with you 100 percent; if i was only talking about buying from Escort direct, They are making a killing there. But they cant really discount direct because it will hurt there retailers. IMO they shouldn't sell direct at all.

You are such a bias, 1-sided hooligan... you spread BS like it is truth... and that hurts this forum.

And finally to address your derogatory comments which I ignored initially because i like you. I have been in the retail and manufacturing industry for 15+ years, made and manufactured in the US and Hong Kong, Shipped, paid duties and patented products. I have not once made a derogatory or demeaning comment towards you or your opinions. I'm simply stating how it is from my experience in hopes there is some understanding of both sides.

The #1 thing that hurts this forum is the Escort/Whistler owner and manufacturer bashing, which is always up and down.

[AirMoore]

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Ok, so how about we leave it here then: (Since we are both bored apparently saying the same thing over and over again).

You (along with many others) feel BELscort is correctly priced, and I (along with many others) feel that their pricing is excessive (as I can prove based on specific example[s]) of products.

I give you outsider examples and analogies, you give me Escort based figures... that is proof positive right there of the difference here.

I would just ask... again (as I have said with your issues with other forum members)... simply note that you are bias in the vast majority of your posts. (Though you have gotten much less bias since you have realized the V1 is an exceptional unit).

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[CJR238]

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Ok, so how about we leave it here then: (Since we are both bored apparently saying the same thing over and over again).

You (along with many others) feel BELscort is correctly priced, and I (along with many others) feel that their pricing is excessive (as I can prove based on specific example[s]) of products.

I give you outsider examples and analogies, you give me Escort based figures... that is proof positive right there of the difference here.

I would just ask... again (as I have said with your issues with other forum members)... simply note that you are bias in the vast majority of your posts. (Though you have gotten much less bias since you have realized the V1 is an exceptional unit).

I'm actually currently doing inventory (Sucks counting treadmills and dumbbells) and would rather not have to do this but this BS needs to end.

I'm ok with your statements, but with some minor changes:

I (along with many others) feel BELscort is correctly priced (And I can prove based on specific example[s].) of known business knowledge and products. and you (along with many others) feel that their pricing is excessive (as you can prove based on specific example[s]) of products.

I give basic manufacturer and retail business examples that are well known and how they work in general, you give uneducated guesses. That is proof positive right there of the difference here.

I just keep it in perspective, and speak in a positive light that's all really. You can perceive it however you wish.

[SpeedUp]

Any moment now the bullets will start flying...

I do have to agree with some of the points AirMoore made, Bel/Escort have always overpriced the hell out of their units, they are making a ton of money off of them.

[snoopyc4]

I just keep it in perspective, and speak in a positive light that's all really. You can perceive it however you wish.

I think you two should get a room. It is clearly obvious that you two are best friends.

Any moment now the bullets will start flying...

Already happened. The debate just turned into a pissing contest.

[CJR238]

I don't disagree Escort products are expensive and some more than others. But they follow standard margin practices most companies follow. Higher price than most? Sure, but not out of the ball park or "killing".