Return of the King?

[SpeedUp]

AirMoore doesn't like Escort math.

Haha who does it's beyond ridiculous...take something and double the price of what it should be and you have an ESCORT product.

On another note I would love an STi-R Plus to run with my V1.

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However, I did note that during your test, the periods between shots was not kept to a minimum of 10 seconds. One factor that needs to be taken into account when testing the V1 is that it will park on a Frequency for 10 seconds after taking an initial alert. Therefore, to get valid results on the V1, you need to pause at least 10 seconds between shots.

I don't want to hijack the thread but still can't uderstand one little thing - if V1 parks its LO on one frequency for 10 sec., how the heck is it possible that still can detect other signals even in different bands up to 9 bogeys! Any ideas?

[barryswanson]

That's a good question!

[ExoticRadar]

However, I did note that during your test, the periods between shots was not kept to a minimum of 10 seconds. One factor that needs to be taken into account when testing the V1 is that it will park on a Frequency for 10 seconds after taking an initial alert. Therefore, to get valid results on the V1, you need to pause at least 10 seconds between shots.

I don't want to hijack the thread but still can't uderstand one little thing - if V1 parks its LO on one frequency for 10 sec., how the heck is it possible that still can detect other signals even in different bands up to 9 bogeys! Any ideas?

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[nine_c1]

However, I did note that during your test, the periods between shots was not kept to a minimum of 10 seconds. One factor that needs to be taken into account when testing the V1 is that it will park on a Frequency for 10 seconds after taking an initial alert. Therefore, to get valid results on the V1, you need to pause at least 10 seconds between shots.

I don't want to hijack the thread but still can't uderstand one little thing - if V1 parks its LO on one frequency for 10 sec., how the heck is it possible that still can detect other signals even in different bands up to 9 bogeys! Any ideas?

The V1 obviously does not stop sweeping it's LO looking for radar signals after it sets an alert. Rather, it stops applying "false" filtering algorithms to a specific frequency it has already alerted to for a period of about 10 seconds.

Ref: Valentine Patent 5852417

The V1...........just like Belscorts..........has to see an initial Ka signal on mutliple sweeps (I believe 3) while it checks for the 2nd harmonic of a leaky LO from another detector before deciding to set an alert. Once it set's an alert, it stops applying those rules to that frequency for the duration of the alert plus 10 seconds afterwards.

We say it parks itself on a frequency, but it really is just turning off it's own false filtering to that specific frequency for a period of time.

Anyhow, while doing quick trigger testing, this behavior of the V1 can certainly skew results. We found that the V1's reaction times on 35.5 Ka dropped off considerably under .5 seconds. However, once the V1 does alert to shot I could Quick Trigger it 1000 times at .3 seconds and get 1000 alerts if I don't let the V1 reset itself.

And for the other poster, no cops don't wait 10 seconds between shots. In fact they usually only QT their radar once.........on that rabbit your following! So I would want to know what the raw reaction time capability of my radar detector is...........not what it can do AFTER it sets an initial alert, thats immaterial as the driver has already been warned.

[AirMoore]

AirMoore doesn't like Escort math.

Correct, because I like correct math. Belscort (and you) use prison math: Where the obscenely big numbers r@pe you.

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The V1 obviously does not stop sweeping it's LO looking for radar signals after it sets an alert. Rather, it stops applying "false" filtering algorithms to a specific frequency it has already alerted to for a period of about 10 seconds.
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Now it makes perfect sense, thanks nine_c1!

[nine_c1]

Has anyone tested how much more falsing you will get with RDR and band seg? Hope its not like the V1 with KA guard off.

Thats the beauty of this detector...........NO, it will not false like the V1 with Ka Guard off!

With Guard off the V1 simply turns off it's Ka false filtering and you now have a Radar Detector that will detect every Cobra RD within about 1/4 mile! In other words, Ka Guard off is not a practical feature on the V1 unless your driving the highways in very light traffic, but even then expect a few heart attacks from a Cobra here and there.

Turning RDR (Radar Detector Rejection) off on the STi-R Plus is very similar to turning off Guard on the V1. The genius of the Bel design is that they give you an alternate and very effective method to deal with Ka falses from Cobras.............Band Segmentation! To kill those pesky Cobra falses without RDR, simply cut out that portion of the Ka sweep where the Cobra resides.............Segment 1 which covers 33.6 Ka.

NOTE: Turning off RDR is also what gives the STi-R Plus that added boost of Ka sensitivity over any other M3. Filtering Ka alerts involves duration of a signal as well as it's power level. With RDR on, very weak Ka signals can get screened out.

[mrkookm]

Let's all hope BelScort dont phuck it up due their infinite need to make the $$$$.

[AirMoore]

Let's all hope BelScort dont phuck it up due their infinite need to make the $$$$.

See that is the funny thing here... Belscort will price this thing way too high (as I note, and nine_c1 expanded upon), whereas if they put the price much lower (say $800) they would actually make more off this thing, than they are going to at the ~$1,200 price point they feel they should put it at.


So just as it was with the STi-R... it wasn't the performance that killed it, but the price. Proof? (Look how well they sold after they were 'discontinued' when the prices dropped down to ~$750!!!!)...

Again, they are morons at math over there (just as CJR continually proves with his prison math).